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4 hours ago, MDM said:

 

Thanks Betty. For me I am hoping for the best with those tests and I definitely feel somewhat better than I did a few months ago but I am still experiencing exhaustion at times and my lungs still feel really raw even if nothing shows up in the tests. Apparently this is common. I will just have to wait and see. 

 

I don't know about lifelong effects although in cases of serious organ damage that is certainly true. I have been reading a lot about Long Covid mainly because of my own experience and it is evident that the science is still at the beginning of understanding what is happening to people post-Covid. One thing for sure is that Long Covid can affect younger people very seriously, even those who were really fit and healthy beforehand.  The initial reluctance to admit that Long Covid even exists is no doubt partly down to employers wanting to admit that there can be serious long term effects that can prevent people returning to work. Like other post-viral illnesses, there is actually no treatment for the exhaustion which is one of the definitive symptoms. It is usually a matter of managing energy levels to maintain a baseline and this is essentially impossible if one has to work at the same time. 

 

Hopefully your nephew will get better soon but it is perhaps well to be prepared for a longer haul than going back to work so soon. 

 

 

I remember the times when I had the flu/pneumonia and felt I had recovered. I would feel energetic, start something like cleaning the house, and one minute feeling great. Two minutes later the exhaustion would hit like being run over by a truck. Kind of like starting with a full tank of gasoline then running dry suddenly. I expect Long Covid is something like that. It seems that illnesses that affect the lungs behave in that way.

My daughter was hospitalized with pneumonia when she was 12.  For several months, she did the same thing after her lungs were clear. I remember her coming in the house after a few minutes of riding her bike with her face ashen, and her lips blue.

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Today I will make peanut butter fudge, then chocolate fudge to put in Christmas-themed tins for family gifts. On the downside, a weather front is coming through and we’ll have 65mph (104.6 kilometers) wind with it. I’ll not be out, or I might blow away. I hope birds will find a bush to hunker down in.

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I had to do an unexpected cat visit this AM and it took me past a grocery store that was not crowded and had everything I wanted. The things we celebrate these days! They have a check-out woman there who radiates good cheer. She seems to see it as part of her job and I'm sure it makes her day better too. Today she was wearing an amazing Christmas sweater and an indescribable pixie hat with a spiral red Christmas tree on top. Bless her!

 

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Good news about Christmas dinner. My friend who usually cooks for a bunch of us has a broken wrist so we have been struggling to find delivery from a restaurant on Christmas Day. A few places nearby have gourmet meals at gourmet prices but we don't want to spring for that. My friend has found an Indian restaurant that has made their entire very long menu available. Yeah! So for me a good lentil soup with Indian spices and some chickpeas and spinach over basmati rice. Followed up by Indian rice pudding. Good food for delivery too. It won't be ruined on the way. So we are set. Just three of us this year because of the virus but good to stick to our small bubble. By the way, both my friends are Jews. I'm the only Christian. Just as Christmas should be. Festive for all.

 

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10 minutes ago, NYCat said:

Good news about Christmas dinner. My friend who usually cooks for a bunch of us has a broken wrist so we have been struggling to find delivery from a restaurant on Christmas Day. A few places nearby have gourmet meals at gourmet prices but we don't want to spring for that. My friend has found an Indian restaurant that has made their entire very long menu available. Yeah! So for me a good lentil soup with Indian spices and some chickpeas and spinach over basmati rice. Followed up by Indian rice pudding. Good food for delivery too. It won't be ruined on the way. So we are set. Just three of us this year because of the virus but good to stick to our small bubble. By the way, both my friends are Jews. I'm the only Christian. Just as Christmas should be. Festive for all.

 

Paulette

Mmm curry for Christmas dinner........We did that once, not difficult in an East London seasoned with restaurateurs of other faiths.

Brick Lane- you could google it.

Not this year though. All hospitality closed. Not even a pint on Christmas morning- and we can't do the usual round of friends either.🙁

Unless we find creative ways to circumvent the law.;)

Roast pheasant for us. Mmm- last time we had that it was shot by a work colleague and I brought it home on my bicycle handlebars. Had it with a bottle of Pomerol given to me by another work colleague, the Crown Court judge.

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I've given myself the rest of the week off for Christmas, and I've cracked open the booze. I only drink a handful of times a year and Christmas is one of them, so it's starting to feel like an occasion now. I count that as a good thing.

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Rained all day so I cooked two stotties this pm, a much better effort than my last attempt. I have Greggs recipe but found that cooking at gas mark 7 for 15 minutes turning once, as recommended, led to a partially burnt outer skin and the innards not cooked. This time I used gas 6 and rotated the breads in the oven every 5 minutes. It took about 25 minutes, but they appear cooked through and are not burnt.  Will be trying a piece for supper. 

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My Christmas will be with just my son....my daughter will be working at the hospital (she's at that age where the extra pay is worth more than hanging with family).  Going to make lamb chops and roasted smashed red potatoes with garlic and butter.  Pretty simple meal.

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Sounds like a good meal. Smashed potatoes are a family favorite here. My Christmas will be simple and spent with one of my twin sons; my only child left on the eastern side of the country. We’ll be having yellow rice and chicken, cheesy corn bread, and 1905 salad. Also, apple crumble with vanilla ice cream for dessert. 

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6 hours ago, Betty LaRue said:

I remember the times when I had the flu/pneumonia and felt I had recovered. I would feel energetic, start something like cleaning the house, and one minute feeling great. Two minutes later the exhaustion would hit like being run over by a truck. Kind of like starting with a full tank of gasoline then running dry suddenly. I expect Long Covid is something like that. It seems that illnesses that affect the lungs behave in that way.

My daughter was hospitalized with pneumonia when she was 12.  For several months, she did the same thing after her lungs were clear. I remember her coming in the house after a few minutes of riding her bike with her face ashen, and her lips blue.

 

Fortunately I have never had pneumonia but it certainly sounds similar in terms of the exhaustion. However, it seems like Long Covid is different in that the actual symptoms of the acute phase can remain or return in people, even those who did not have severe Covid in the acute phase. This is what has been puzzling the scientists and it seems like it is hard to pin down what is causing it. I have had recurring lung problems (shortness of breath when active and lung pain) which get better and then come back, now over 9 months on. I am cautiously optimistic as I have been improving but also aware that I could crash again which has happened a few times already. A very strange year indeed.

 

I advise everyone to take extreme care until they get vaccinated. That is the real ray of hope in all of this. 

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59 minutes ago, Michael Ventura said:

 

All sounds good to me (especially the apple crumble!), Cecile, but what is a 1905 salad?

I grew up in Tampa and much of what we ate was good Spanish, Italian, and Cuban food. The Spanish Park and Columbia restaurants were our favorite places to celebrate special occasions. The 1905 Salad is from the Columbia:

https://www.columbiarestaurant.com/The-Columbia-Experience/Recipes/1905-Salad

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34 minutes ago, MDM said:

I advise everyone to take extreme care until they get vaccinated. That is the real ray of hope in all of this. 

 

And speaking of vaccines, I have to vent a little, so bear with me.  My daughter, who works directly with Covid patients on most shifts and other nights, she works with very vulnerable patients who are usually older and are recovering from some major surgery or procedure, has not received the vaccine yet, saying that her hospital has only received 100 doses.   They are doing a lottery to determine when the doctors, nurses etc...get theirs.   I understand all that but what makes me upset is that Congresspersons and Senators are getting their vaccines already!!  Both liberals and conservatives, so I am not picking on one side.  Many of these politicians have gone on TV and social media to show that they got vaccinated!  Meanwhile, frontline healthcare workers are in limbo, not knowing when they will get the vaccine.  Grrrr!

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4 minutes ago, Cecile Marion said:

I grew up in Tampa and much of what we ate was good Spanish, Italian, and Cuban food. The Spanish Park and Columbia restaurants were our favorite places to celebrate special occasions. The 1905 Salad is from the Columbia:

https://www.columbiarestaurant.com/The-Columbia-Experience/Recipes/1905-Salad

 

I will check it out.  I love that cuisine!  I dined at The Columbia down near Sarasota on St Armands Island, is that the same restaurant? It was very good!

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22 minutes ago, Michael Ventura said:

 

And speaking of vaccines, I have to vent a little, so bear with me.  My daughter, who works directly with Covid patients on most shifts and other nights, she works with very vulnerable patients who are usually older and are recovering from some major surgery or procedure, has not received the vaccine yet, saying that her hospital has only received 100 doses.   They are doing a lottery to determine when the doctors, nurses etc...get theirs.   I understand all that but what makes me upset is that Congresspersons and Senators are getting their vaccines already!!  Both liberals and conservatives, so I am not picking on one side.  Many of these politicians have gone on TV and social media to show that they got vaccinated!  Meanwhile, frontline healthcare workers are in limbo, not knowing when they will get the vaccine.  Grrrr!

I don’t blame you for being upset. Governors are getting the vaccine, too, and to me it seems they are much more able to control who they are around than health care workers who have no choice unless they quit their jobs.

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40 minutes ago, Michael Ventura said:

 

And speaking of vaccines, I have to vent a little, so bear with me.  My daughter, who works directly with Covid patients on most shifts and other nights, she works with very vulnerable patients who are usually older and are recovering from some major surgery or procedure, has not received the vaccine yet, saying that her hospital has only received 100 doses.   They are doing a lottery to determine when the doctors, nurses etc...get theirs.   I understand all that but what makes me upset is that Congresspersons and Senators are getting their vaccines already!!  Both liberals and conservatives, so I am not picking on one side.  Many of these politicians have gone on TV and social media to show that they got vaccinated!  Meanwhile, frontline healthcare workers are in limbo, not knowing when they will get the vaccine.  Grrrr!

 

Agree Michael. The whole thing is entirely chaotic from the top down here. They are going to vaccinate health workers among the first batches. However, my wife is a teacher and there is no talk at all of vaccinating teachers as a priority. Teachers are vital to the whole system and it would collapse without them. The schools have stayed open with very little regulation on kids wearing masks.  The original idea that was proposed about there being very little transmission by kids as a justification for keeping schools open is total nonsense. Many of the  confirmed cases here are a direct result of keeping the schools open which has been a major contributor to the currently dire situation in Britain. My wife is being as careful as possible in the circumstance maintaining distance in class, keeping windows open, wearing a mask at all times etc. If we had not already had it I would be extremely worried but I am hoping we are retaining some immunity as the evidence for reinfection appears to be still minimal.

 

I guess for the young ones there is a greater likelihood of a mild dose and rapid recovery but it is unbelievable that someone like your daughter is not top priority. My son is working on placements in hospitals and GP practices but not directly with Covid patients. He had Covid back in March and recovered rapidly but I do worry about him nevertheless. We can only hope for the best. 

 

 

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59 minutes ago, Michael Ventura said:

 

And speaking of vaccines, I have to vent a little, so bear with me.  My daughter, who works directly with Covid patients on most shifts and other nights, she works with very vulnerable patients who are usually older and are recovering from some major surgery or procedure, has not received the vaccine yet, saying that her hospital has only received 100 doses.   They are doing a lottery to determine when the doctors, nurses etc...get theirs.   I understand all that but what makes me upset is that Congresspersons and Senators are getting their vaccines already!!  Both liberals and conservatives, so I am not picking on one side.  Many of these politicians have gone on TV and social media to show that they got vaccinated!  Meanwhile, frontline healthcare workers are in limbo, not knowing when they will get the vaccine.  Grrrr!

 

Tulsi Gabbard won't get the vaccine before those most vulnerable. I know she mentioned our "grandparents". Don't know if she said more than that. She has gone her own way pretty often and is not running again. I'd love to know more about the politicians who are refusing to go first. I'd like to think there are more.

 

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1 hour ago, Michael Ventura said:

 

I will check it out.  I love that cuisine!  I dined at The Columbia down near Sarasota on St Armands Island, is that the same restaurant? It was very good!

Yes. Same one. The original opened in Ybor City, Tampa in 1905. There are two or three satellite locations now, including one in St. Augustine. I think the St. Armands location opened in the 80s. I remember going there when we spent time on Longboat Key. 
They have at least one cookbook and my chicken and rice recipe is adapted from theirs. 
 

Sorry your daughter has been unable to get her first vaccination. I hope she gets one soon. All our health professionals should be vaccinated first, especially those heroes on the front lines who are constantly dealing with COVID patients. It’s important they all be taken care of and quickly.
 

(I’m so thoroughly disgusted with the majority of our politicians, and how the pandemic has been handled in the US, I’ll save my comments for a more appropriate place. I have nothing positive to say.)

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44 minutes ago, NYCat said:

 

Tulsi Gabbard won't get the vaccine before those most vulnerable. I know she mentioned our "grandparents". Don't know if she said more than that. She has gone her own way pretty often and is not running again. I'd love to know more about the politicians who are refusing to go first. I'd like to think there are more.

 

Paulette


Yes, I know there are some politicians who have declined to get the jab until most critical people have gotten theirs.  

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9 hours ago, Michael Ventura said:

 

And speaking of vaccines, I have to vent a little, so bear with me.  My daughter, who works directly with Covid patients on most shifts and other nights, she works with very vulnerable patients who are usually older and are recovering from some major surgery or procedure, has not received the vaccine yet, saying that her hospital has only received 100 doses.   They are doing a lottery to determine when the doctors, nurses etc...get theirs.   I understand all that but what makes me upset is that Congresspersons and Senators are getting their vaccines already!!  Both liberals and conservatives, so I am not picking on one side.  Many of these politicians have gone on TV and social media to show that they got vaccinated!  Meanwhile, frontline healthcare workers are in limbo, not knowing when they will get the vaccine.  Grrrr!

 

Not great. 

 

I believe that health workers are being prioritised here, but don't know the reality.

 

I am able to avoid my normal practice of using the bus and am trying to avoid shops, but there are many quite elderly bus drivers who are exposing themselves to risk who should perhaps get some priority, likewise older shop workers. 

 

Re the politicians, there are a lot of fake anti virus rumours floating around and I guess they feel that they need to demonstrate that they believe the vaccine is safe.  Maybe should have delayed until the vaccine is more commonly available.  Case of can't win?

 

Hopefully the Oxford vaccine will get approval shortly and, if so, that may be a game changer. They have many millions of doses available worldwide and ready to go, It might not be quite as effective as some of the others but is does work, and is both very cheap and readily available.

 

Goodish news, our elder son is hoping to come for Xmas day, dependent upon a negative test result due today. Fingers crossed.

 

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1 hour ago, Bryan said:

 

 

 

I believe that health workers are being prioritised here, but don't know the reality.

 

I am able to avoid my normal practice of using the bus and am trying to avoid shops, but there are many quite elderly bus drivers who are exposing themselves to risk who should perhaps get some priority, likewise older shop workers. 

 

Re the politicians, there are a lot of fake anti virus rumours floating around and I guess they feel that they need to demonstrate that they believe the vaccine is safe.  Maybe should have delayed until the vaccine is more commonly available.  Case of can't win?

 

 

 

 

Bus drivers should be at the front of the queue for vaccination. They provide an essential service and are dangerously exposed. A large number of London bus drivers (mostly from BAME backgrounds and not necessarily elderly) died from Covid in the first wave when they had virtually no protection at all. 

 

As for politicians getting vaccinated, no doubt there is a case for that but it could work both ways. People who are most vulnerable to conspiracy theories are probably less likely to trust politicians anyway (or indeed trust anybody except for their own kind). And it is astounding what people will believe. 

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17 hours ago, NYCat said:

Good news about Christmas dinner. My friend who usually cooks for a bunch of us has a broken wrist so we have been struggling to find delivery from a restaurant on Christmas Day. A few places nearby have gourmet meals at gourmet prices but we don't want to spring for that. My friend has found an Indian restaurant that has made their entire very long menu available. Yeah! So for me a good lentil soup with Indian spices and some chickpeas and spinach over basmati rice. Followed up by Indian rice pudding. Good food for delivery too. It won't be ruined on the way. So we are set. Just three of us this year because of the virus but good to stick to our small bubble. By the way, both my friends are Jews. I'm the only Christian. Just as Christmas should be. Festive for all.

 

Paulette

 

A bit late to the discussion so that is why I am going backwards.

 

My Christmas dinner is going to be an Indian meal too.  Chicken Tikka Masala and Pilau rice. I like to add a bit of Italian on the side by way of Garlic bread. I also have Mango chutney on the plate.

 

Very traditional English as usual. One year I cooked up a special Spag Bol for Christmas dinner.

 

Allan

 

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We will be on the sherry and mince pies tonight as usual but have decided to have them outside in the driveway. We have informed some of our friends that should they coincidentally be lawfully exercising in the street at the time they may coincidentally be able to say hello lawfully over the fence and have a coincidental drink lawfully should they so lawfully decide.

And there is a small illuminated tree in the garden and lights on the gate pillars should they forget where we coincidentally live. And a flaming brazier.

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