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  1. If you use the soft-proofing facility in Lightroom, you will see that there are very distinct differences in the out-of-gamut colours for Adobe RGB versus sRGB. I guess it is more about what you can't see than what you can see with soft-proofing. I agree it can be difficult to judge by eye and you would probably need a colourimeter to really check things out properly in print.I've spent most of the last hour trying to devise an interesting experiment that would demonstrate the differences clearly in print but haven't managed to come up with anything defintive and need to get moving on my day but it is really interesting. Will definitely return to this when I have a bit of time.
  2. They certainly used to ask for Adobe RGB when I joined in 2009 - why is not clear if they have always been stripping the profile. It doesn't surprise me though. I guess they want a standardised approach across the board for all clients as it would no doubt be a sales nightmare to track and provide images with different profiles and for the vast majority of stock sales it doesn't matter, moreover because many photograpers are not using a colour-managed workflow in the first place. Clients who require really accurate colour will probably be commissioning images rather than licensing stock. I won't be changing my Adobe RGB workflow though as it is a trivial matter in Lightroom or Photoshop to export or save images with a different profile and there are real differences when printing in terms of colour rendering - that includes home printing.
  3. But if you do any pixel editing in Photoshop, then you would have to do it all over again. Also if you are working in Lightroom you are using a huge colour space very close to Pro Photo RGB in the develop module so the histograms and colour rendering are not going to be consistent.
  4. And your namesake was alive and kicking.
  5. Are you shooting JPEGs and not raws? If raws, then the camera setting is irrelevant, it is how you convert. If JPEGs, well that is another matter. I would never use sRGB as my working space in Photoshop as you are throwing away a pile of colour information that can't be retrieved. You can go from AdobeRGB to sRGB but the reverse is meaningless. You don't know what you are missing as you can't see it for the most part (just like converting in 8 rather than 16 bit). It doesn't hurt to use AdobeRGB - it adds no time or weight of any significance to any image. For all the (selective) quotes about using sRGB being as good, there are many more experts advocating AdobeRGB or Pro Photo RGB. But if you are only shooting for Alamy, then it would appear to be possibly irrelevant.
  6. Strangely I was in New York city just on my way back to Ireland the day John Lennon was shot. It is the only time I have ever been to New York (Nov-Dec 1980). I was a massive fan of the Beatles, mainly John's stuff. It was a totally surreal experience arriving back in Ireland to hear he had been killed. Completely senseless.
  7. No worries Allan. I didn't misinterpret you and I was only joking but that doesn't always come across on forums. I do seem to be correcting things you say sometimes and don't want it to come across badly as I do value your friendship. 😀
  8. Yes what you want is the 20GB Photography plan. Lightroom Classic comes with that and does everything your existing version does and a lot more (the word Classic is the key here). Don't worry. It will be fine. 😀 I think they would lose a huge amount of custom if they enforced the cloud version on everyone as it is not suited for the vast majority of professional to serious amateur photographers so I am not worried about that at the moment. If they ever do then I will be looking elsewhere although life without Photoshop is unimaginable. The 20GB allows you to store images that you sync between the mobile and desktop versions. As I explained above, there is a separate LR Mobile app which runs on phones and tablets and can be automatically set to sync with a local catalog on a computer. Complicated - yes until you use it.
  9. Sorry Alllan - putting it like that maybe I should shut up 😀. But I felt it was appropriate and important here as it is incredibly confusing. The only way I figured it out was by actually doing it and even then I am not 100% clear about how it works. But the bottom line is that you don't have to use the new Lightroom CC to use Lightroom on mobile devices.
  10. I have always talked fast irrespective of my age 😃. So much to do, so little time. I will try to remember your request next time we meet.
  11. My wife comes from the Wirral but that is close enough for me to say she is from Liverpool and she can do excellent scouse. She translates Jamie Carragher for me. Liverpool was the first place I ever stood on foreign ground on holidays in July 1966 when England hosted the World Cup. A standout memory is of seeing loads of really colourful Brazillians in Lime Street Station, as Brazil were playing in Liverpool. Coming from monocultural (at the time) Dublin, I had never seen anything like it. This was the Brazil of Pele, then 2 times world champions and favourites to win it again but they crashed out in the qualifying round. The other standout memory was the seemingly infinite rows of tiny terrace houses all with TV aerials seen from the train.
  12. You definitely want Classic - it is basically the upgraded version of what you have. Adobe made things extremely confusing by changing the nomenclature.
  13. That is incorrect Allan although it is certainly confusing with all the different options so it is understandable that you have misinterpreted the information. I run Lightroom Classic on my computer and I occasionally run Lightroom Mobile on my iPhone and iPad. Lightroom Mobile is a basic free app (get it from the App Store) which has add on features that you have to pay for unless you are a CC subscriber in which case you get the whole thing. It is useful if I am doing a portrait shoot and I want to show a client what I am getting on my iPad without carrying a laptop around. Lightroom Mobile is quite advanced now - it can read and adjust raw files, for example, as well as allow some metadata inputting. Not a bad app at all and it does integrate with the desktop version if you want it to do so. I don't as I do all my editing on my computer. For the sake of clarity, you do not have to be connected to the Creative Cloud to run either Lightroom Classic or Lightroom Mobile. Lightroom (CC) is what they introduced back in late 2017 and that is the one that runs from the cloud - aimed primarily at casual photography. You can edit on both desktop and mobile devices with it as far as I know but the desktop version has far fewer feature than Lightroom Classic. I have not installed it and don't intend to. It is not recommended (by Adobe) to try to run Lightroom Classic and Lightroom (CC) together.
  14. Yes I have already done that - brought it down to 25.
  15. I don't think there are too many serious photographers using PSE alone nowadays. Most are using Lightroom, Photoshop with ACR or another high end raw converter. So this argument is a bit irrelevant. Better to focus on the main issue which you have identified. I would say you did the right thing using AdobeRGB anyway. Again common sense says to use the bigger colour space and work down from that if you need sRGB. Why throw away a huge amount of colour info when you don't have to. It does not slow things down on a computer and the file size difference is miniscule. As you say it is the bit depth that makes a massive difference in speed of workflow and file size. Your car analogy may not be accurate either as you can't really say until it comes to printing what you have lost in the conversion. It is impossible to say by eye how large the differences are and what the effect will be in a CMYK conversion as it depends on the image and the printing process.
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