Lisa Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 After two long days of super tagging, my eyes are red and my hand seriously aches. Then I saw that I had a sale today from one of the last batches I worked on yesterday. Maybe all of this clean up is worth it after all! That's 300 photos done, and another 1700 more to go. Ugg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Guess what? The subject is "pine marten" and nowhere is that phrase - which is also a supertag - to be found in the image pages (viewable for clients). Of the 37 tags 3 supertags are missing and marten shows as mart Cheers, Philippe marten, mart, marty... maybe Alamy are just adding nicknames to your tags? I am wondering if this bug (which it definitely is) has something to do with the system shortening words to ones it recognises. I've had Tipperary shortened to Tippera which is apparently a province in India (a long way from Tipperary) - I only became aware of the existence of Tippera by clicking on the keyword link and found one other image depicting a map relating to Tippera. A lot of other Tipperary keywords have been shortened to Ti which gives around 8000 hits when clicked relating to various things like ti trees, a character in a horror movie and who knows what else. I wonder how common the bug is - reasonably common it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 After two long days of super tagging, my eyes are red and my hand seriously aches. Then I saw that I had a sale today from one of the last batches I worked on yesterday. Maybe all of this clean up is worth it after all! That's 300 photos done, and another 1700 more to go. Ugg. Did you mean to have the keyword "nat" in your Native American rock art images? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeRay Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 ^ that's the word clipping I mentioned in another thread. Happening a lot. Potentially a major issue as not only are words missing but others (clipped) are appearing and searchable thus creating false searches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 After two long days of super tagging, my eyes are red and my hand seriously aches. Then I saw that I had a sale today from one of the last batches I worked on yesterday. Maybe all of this clean up is worth it after all! That's 300 photos done, and another 1700 more to go. Ugg. Did you mean to have the keyword "nat" in your Native American rock art images? Nat = Sorry, no images were found. Native American = 41 images found. Even if the display is truncated, the search works properly for the buyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty LaRue Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 After two long days of super tagging, my eyes are red and my hand seriously aches. Then I saw that I had a sale today from one of the last batches I worked on yesterday. Maybe all of this clean up is worth it after all! That's 300 photos done, and another 1700 more to go. Ugg. Keep going. I hate being the only overworked and miserable one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeRay Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 After two long days of super tagging, my eyes are red and my hand seriously aches. Then I saw that I had a sale today from one of the last batches I worked on yesterday. Maybe all of this clean up is worth it after all! That's 300 photos done, and another 1700 more to go. Ugg. Did you mean to have the keyword "nat" in your Native American rock art images? Nat = Sorry, no images were found.[/size] Native American = 41 images found.[/size] Even if the display is truncated, the search works properly for the buyers. Nat. http://www.alamy.com/search/imageresults.aspx?qt=Nat&imgt=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Why does the new image manager mess the keywords up and just put bits of them in??? (I think Wim has mentioned this) Yesterday for example i keyworded "south Africa" as a supertag - today on looking at my keywords for those images some of them just have "So" as a supertag! Also some have "museum" as "mu" today?? - these are just examples and it seems to be happening quite ofetn! AARGHHHHHHHHH! Its bad enough having to go back and re-keyword individual images with the new MI without then having to go back again and check them!!! Kumar It has to be bad When Kumar gets mad Cheer up man - it's bound to get fixed. Instead of beta testing, get out and make pics? MDM - I did not realise you have a poetic side to you! Kumar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Why does the new image manager mess the keywords up and just put bits of them in??? (I think Wim has mentioned this) Yesterday for example i keyworded "south Africa" as a supertag - today on looking at my keywords for those images some of them just have "So" as a supertag! Also some have "museum" as "mu" today?? - these are just examples and it seems to be happening quite ofetn! AARGHHHHHHHHH! Its bad enough having to go back and re-keyword individual images with the new MI without then having to go back again and check them!!! Kumar It has to be bad When Kumar gets mad Cheer up man - it's bound to get fixed. Instead of beta testing, get out and make pics? MDM - I did not realise you have a poetic side to you! Kumar Old dog New trick? Actually it was sort of accidental until I realised it was rhyming. Poetry - well I have a latent love of certain poetry and poets: Blake, Keats and Yeats mainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colblimp Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 I'm actually almost too scared to keyword the queue of images I have waiting to go on sale and I'm utterly terrified to work on my old images! I don't like change... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Walker Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Just tried the BHZ check and despite the concerns with duplicates etc, my two images (on different pseudos) are both still in the first 4 lines of the first page. Another common search 'Canterbury Cathedral' brings one of my images in the number one spot on the first. I've not made any changes to tags/supertags as I thought it best to wait until Alamy have had chance to carry out any tweaks needed first. I think I'll just concentrate on getting new uploads keyworded correctly to suit the new I.M. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alamy Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 ^ that's the word clipping I mentioned in another thread. Happening a lot. Potentially a major issue as not only are words missing but others (clipped) are appearing and searchable thus creating false searches. We can confirm this isn't a major issue - its a display issue where the keyword field is clipped and then re-ordered alphabetically in the image details view. The original word that has been clipped is still searchable as normal. We're working on a fix for this. Cheers Alamy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeRay Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 @Alamy thanks for the response, that's a relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 I'm actually almost too scared to keyword the queue of images I have waiting to go on sale and I'm utterly terrified to work on my old images! I don't like change... There are far worse things that will remain unmentioned to be terrified about at the moment. I think it is sensible to leave older images alone for now until they iron out any bugs which have emerged since the new beast was unleashed. Personally I prefer the older version for most things. The only advantage of the new one that I can see is that it is possible to add or remove a single keyword or phrase from a set of images although there are severe limitations it seems as Arterra has been expounding on. However, it is definitely here and it's not going away so I would advocate facing the fears as there is nothing worse than fear left to fester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alamy Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 I was told by Alamy that once we had the new tools, phrases would be respected by the search engine. Well that is not happening. One of my images of a missing roof tile is coming up in searches for "tiles". I do not have "tiles" as a single tag or a word in the caption. I only have multi-word tags such as "missing tiles", "tile missing", etc.. Words •within* phrases are still searchable... Phrases are respected , in the sense that if your existing images or newly uploaded images a have a keyword phrase delimited by commas, then those phrases are renedered intact as a new 'tag' Nowhere have i seen Alamy state that the component elements of a phrasal tag would not be searchable km That's correct Keith. This blog post should provide more clarity: http://www.alamy.com/blog/tagging-images-on-alamy Cheers Alamy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 ^ that's the word clipping I mentioned in another thread. Happening a lot. Potentially a major issue as not only are words missing but others (clipped) are appearing and searchable thus creating false searches. We can confirm this isn't a major issue - its a display issue where the keyword field is clipped and then re-ordered alphabetically in the image details view. The original word that has been clipped is still searchable as normal. We're working on a fix for this. Cheers Alamy Yes thanks for confirming that. The fact that it doesn't affect the actual keywords attached to the image should mean that a universal fix should be relatively easy to implement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Ashmore Posted January 26, 2017 Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 I was told by Alamy that once we had the new tools, phrases would be respected by the search engine. Well that is not happening. One of my images of a missing roof tile is coming up in searches for "tiles". I do not have "tiles" as a single tag or a word in the caption. I only have multi-word tags such as "missing tiles", "tile missing", etc.. Words •within* phrases are still searchable... Phrases are respected , in the sense that if your existing images or newly uploaded images a have a keyword phrase delimited by commas, then those phrases are renedered intact as a new 'tag' Nowhere have i seen Alamy state that the component elements of a phrasal tag would not be searchable km That's correct Keith. This blog post should provide more clarity: http://www.alamy.com/blog/tagging-images-on-alamy Cheers Alamy Thank you for the blog... keep them coming as they are always helpful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colblimp Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 I've just spent a few minutes tagging a picture then realised I had 2 selected. Why oh why do we have to deselect images when we click on another? I have to start over, which is an utter waste of time. What a stupid system! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Ashmore Posted January 26, 2017 Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 Why oh why do we have to deselect images when we click on another? Because that's how it allows you to do batch editing! If selecting a new image deselected the previous image, you would never be able to select a batch. It is a mindset change... a few months from now, I'm sure we'll mostly all be used to it and take most of what th etool does and how to do things totally for granted. I find the 'Clear selection' option on the top-right of the middle panel to be my best friend! It could potentially be a very valid improvement to add an option which allows users to choose whether hitting the 'Save' button also deselects an image which would help reduce the occurrence of the problem you just encountered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avpics Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 I've just spent a few minutes tagging a picture then realised I had 2 selected. Why oh why do we have to deselect images when we click on another? I have to start over, which is an utter waste of time. What a stupid system! As with any 'change', these things take getting used to but having spent two solid days working through my images such things soon become second nature. Take a breath, count to ten, and get back to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 I've just spent a few minutes tagging a picture then realised I had 2 selected. Why oh why do we have to deselect images when we click on another? I have to start over, which is an utter waste of time. What a stupid system! I agree. That is one of the things I really dislike about the new system - poorly designed I think. Having to click twice on an image to select and then deselect. Absolutely unintuitive. I much prefer the old system of dragging a set of images out to a separate area for batch editing. Then you know what you are working on. With this new system, it can be difficult to know what images you are actually working on beyond the indication at the top of how many images you are working on. If they had some ways of sorting images in a batch, then it could make it easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Thompson Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 ^ that's the word clipping I mentioned in another thread. Happening a lot. Potentially a major issue as not only are words missing but others (clipped) are appearing and searchable thus creating false searches. We can confirm this isn't a major issue - its a display issue where the keyword field is clipped and then re-ordered alphabetically in the image details view. The original word that has been clipped is still searchable as normal. We're working on a fix for this. Cheers Alamy How about removing duplicate tags? I now have way more than 50 tags making it impossible to add phrases for reasons I explained here. Cheers, Philippe +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskerke Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 ^ that's the word clipping I mentioned in another thread. Happening a lot. Potentially a major issue as not only are words missing but others (clipped) are appearing and searchable thus creating false searches. We can confirm this isn't a major issue - its a display issue where the keyword field is clipped and then re-ordered alphabetically in the image details view. The original word that has been clipped is still searchable as normal. We're working on a fix for this. Cheers Alamy The tags breaking after saving is not a display problem. It's happening within the Image Manager. Two tags: traffic on GW Bridge, busiest motor vehicle bridge, become eight tags: traffic on GW Bridge busiest motor vehicle bridge This particular image had 7 supertags and 20 regular tags. Nothing out of the ordinary. Everything looks fine after saving. However a day later it has 13 supertags (not supposed to happen) and 32 regular tags. Indeed the Zoom page on the client's side has 22 tags. Including the tag Geor. One of those clipped words. But the tags traffic on gw bridge, and busiest motor vehicle bridge, have stayed together here as they should. I frankly don't care about the clipping of keywords on the Zoom page. I wished those were alphabetical single keywords like before. So that the keyword scrapers have a harder job. In that sense keyword clipping would even be good. If it would not make such a bad impression on clients. wim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSnapper Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 If selecting a new image deselected the previous image, you would never be able to select a batch. Shift+click is the 'normal' way of selecting more than one non-consequitive items... The new IM doesnt conform to standards in this respect km Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Ashmore Posted January 26, 2017 Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 If selecting a new image deselected the previous image, you would never be able to select a batch. Shift+click is the 'normal' way of selecting more than one non-consequitive items... The new IM doesnt conform to standards in this respect km iPads don't have a shift button... :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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