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5 hours ago, Sally said:

In a nutshell. You’re not going to stop local/regional papers from getting all the photos they need for free.

My local paper won’t pay for anything at all.

 

My local paper does not pay a lot per image but it can mount up. Just checked my spreadsheet for that paper and since June last year stands at mid $1500 so no small beans for the effort.

Andy.

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16 hours ago, aphperspective said:

 

My local paper does not pay a lot per image but it can mount up. Just checked my spreadsheet for that paper and since June last year stands at mid $1500 so no small beans for the effort.

Andy.

 

My local paper never pays

Even when i am the only one who got the shot - they still won't pay

Shame it come to that but i won't supply them for free

 

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15 minutes ago, Foreign Export said:

 

My local paper never pays

Even when i am the only one who got the shot - they still won't pay

Shame it come to that but i won't supply them for free

 

Ditto, no matter how nicely they ask.

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On 25/04/2019 at 08:35, spacecadet said:

Weather.........not newsworthy at all😉

Exactly...

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On 25/04/2019 at 10:56, MDM said:

 

Do local newspapers actually pay for photography these days? Would they actually license a picture from Alamy or anywhere else?

Yes and sometimes.

 

APHPerspective and myself live in the back end of Ireland (not together lol) and our local rag and local very small magazine both pay for images which are sent in on spec by photographers.  Fees aren't earth-shattering, but, dependent on how newsworthy the pics are and of course how many photos one contributes, the end of month bank transfers can add up to a nice amount of money.

 

Both the local and national paper which are produced in Cork pay better fees for picture usage, the national uses Alamy pics from time to time. 

 

With all that said, some very small papers and not so small magazines refuse to pay for pics, but they'll give you a credit, which apparently 'will do you and your business the world of good, Andy'.  Yeah, F@*% Off, you're not using any of my pics!

 

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51 minutes ago, Colblimp said:

Yes and sometimes.

 

APHPerspective and myself live in the back end of Ireland (not together lol) 

 

I consider West Cork to be the front end of Ireland, not the back end, facing the Atlantic and all that 😀. I guess it is a matter of perspective. Talking of which, are you ready for Storm Hannah? Sounds like she is going to be a wild one.

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3 minutes ago, MDM said:

 

I consider West Cork to be the front end of Ireland, not the back end, facing the Atlantic and all that 😀. I guess it is a matter of perspective. Talking of which, are you ready for Storm Hannah? Sounds like she is going to be a wild one.

It's definitely the arse end lol! 😂

 

I'm ready for Hannah - one of the nationals rang me yesterday looking for pics - 'we'll probably run with a front page and 2 or 3 more inside'.  Nice!

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If it's of any consolation to those who got the chop, with the newspaper sales reports coming in at the moment the figures for live news are roughly half of what I would have expected from similar sales of not many months ago. Sad times

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2 hours ago, Colblimp said:

It's definitely the arse end lol! 😂

 

I'm ready for Hannah - one of the nationals rang me yesterday looking for pics - 'we'll probably run with a front page and 2 or 3 more inside'.  Nice!

Your so far out in the boonies the postman needs a compass. 😊

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5 hours ago, Foreign Export said:

 

My local paper never pays

Even when i am the only one who got the shot - they still won't pay

Shame it come to that but i won't supply them for free

 

 

5 hours ago, Sally said:

Ditto, no matter how nicely they ask.

The problem is getting the word out to everyone to refuse to provide for free.
NUJ ran a campaign last year - but I dont know if it is still going. https://www.nuj.org.uk/campaigns/useitpayforit/

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45 minutes ago, Starsphinx said:

 

The problem is getting the word out to everyone to refuse to provide for free.
NUJ ran a campaign last year - but I dont know if it is still going. https://www.nuj.org.uk/campaigns/useitpayforit/

That’s just not going to work. The average person, who has no aspirations to be a professional photographer will be more than happy to simply get a credit with their name in the paper.

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2 hours ago, Avpics said:

If it's of any consolation to those who got the chop, with the newspaper sales reports coming in at the moment the figures for live news are roughly half of what I would have expected from similar sales of not many months ago. Sad times

This is very worrying. If live news prices have fallen so much then it simply makes it not worth the effort. I got two invoices today for which I would normally expect to get around $50 at only $14. That’s a massive reduction and makes them about the same as stock images.

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I mainly do concert and festival photography. When I first started I worked for one of the local papers for free in order to get into events. It was the only way I could get the access I needed to move forward. When the paper started asking me to cover things in a wider area I told them they would have to cover my expenses. Our association pretty much ended there as they are not willing to pay anything.

Saying we should all refuse to give shots for free will never work because there are people like myself who have to do that in order to build their portfolio of work and move forward. You will also always have the amateur who is just happy to have there shot used in the paper.  Let's face it, with modern camera systems you don't need the shot to be that good in order for it to look good in print size.

Jessica at live news has today pointed out to me that I missed focus on one of my shots from Reading Festival last year. The shot was brought and published by The Times.

 

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5 minutes ago, Sally said:

That’s just not going to work. The average person, who has no aspirations to be a professional photographer will be more than happy to simply get a credit with their name in the paper.

I could probably live with that - my issue is when small organisations and sports clubs are almost being held hostage.  They want and need the local paper to write about them and cover them - and the local paper won't do so without a photo - so their choice is to send a free photo or don't get coverage.   Then I when I am asked to cover something for them (its cup final season) they want to use one of my photos but I won't let it be used without payment.

 

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1 minute ago, Bigjimh71 said:

I mainly do concert and festival photography. When I first started I worked for one of the local papers for free in order to get into events. It was the only way I could get the access I needed to move forward. When the paper started asking me to cover things in a wider area I told them they would have to cover my expenses. Our association pretty much ended there as they are not willing to pay anything.

Saying we should all refuse to give shots for free will never work because there are people like myself who have to do that in order to build their portfolio of work and move forward. You will also always have the amateur who is just happy to have there shot used in the paper.  Let's face it, with modern camera systems you don't need the shot to be that good in order for it to look good in print size.

Jessica at live news has today pointed out to me that I missed focus on one of my shots from Reading Festival last year. The shot was brought and published by The Times.

 

I totally and utterly accept the necessity for some sort of exchange of photos for experience in these areas but some big groups take advantage to extremes.   As for modern camera systems you don't need the shot to be that good - if that was the case photographers would not be paid at all - and we are.  The fact of the matter is that newbie is not taking as good shots as that experienced guy - and yes Joe Public can tell (at least I presume that is why he keeps buying my sports shots when he was there taking his own)
There needs to be a balance and for me, that balance is somewhere in the profit and turnover sheets.  When a local claiming it cannot afford to pay £5 for a photo is owned by a big group posting a net profit after tax of over £40 million that is out and out abuse and totally unacceptable.

I will, and have, donated photography for nothing to charities and good causes.  I will, and have, work to find an arrangement with small local shoestring operations.  I will not work for free when it comes to big groups pleading poverty while enjoying profits I cannot dream of.  I will advise anyone and everyone who asks me not to work for free for such groups.

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51 minutes ago, Sally said:

That’s just not going to work. The average person, who has no aspirations to be a professional photographer will be more than happy to simply get a credit with their name in the paper.

I don't do free. I tell them the only place I want to see my name is on a check!!

 

Cheers and gone

 

Shergar

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On 25/04/2019 at 11:46, Bigjimh71 said:

I have done some stuff for Newsquest. The rumour at the time was that they got a bonus for the paper that paid the least for photography, although I have never seen any proof that this was true. They stopped asking me to cover events when I asked them to cover some of my expenses. In response to that, they just got some young lad who was willing to do it for free instead. 

There was proof available indeed.
 

Newsquest is to give £9,000 in prizes to its centres which publish the largest amount of free copy and photographs taken by readers.

Henry Faure Walker, the company's chief executive officer, has written to staff giving details of a competition which will result in a league table of newspapers and websites which can produce as many pages/stories as possible on the cheap. The "good, competitive fun", as he described it, will involve a top prize of £4,000 plus £3,000 for second place and £2,000 for coming third.

 

I was banned from my local newspaper when I questioned their 'Facebook Camera Club', which in my opinion was simply there to harvest pictures for their paper.

https://blog.mickflynnimages.com/2017/04/love-to-see-your-pictures-in-print-so.html
https://blog.mickflynnimages.com/2017/05/banned-from-my-local-newspaper.html

The editor also let me know that they really don't want to pay when I had an infringement dispute with them.


"In the highly unusual event of us purchasing a general image for online use we would not pay more than £25+VAT."

 

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4 minutes ago, mickfly said:

There was proof available indeed.
 

Newsquest is to give £9,000 in prizes to its centres which publish the largest amount of free copy and photographs taken by readers.

Henry Faure Walker, the company's chief executive officer, has written to staff giving details of a competition which will result in a league table of newspapers and websites which can produce as many pages/stories as possible on the cheap. The "good, competitive fun", as he described it, will involve a top prize of £4,000 plus £3,000 for second place and £2,000 for coming third.

 

I was banned from my local newspaper when I questioned their 'Facebook Camera Club', which in my opinion was simply there to harvest pictures for their paper.

https://blog.mickflynnimages.com/2017/04/love-to-see-your-pictures-in-print-so.html
https://blog.mickflynnimages.com/2017/05/banned-from-my-local-newspaper.html

The editor also let me know that they really don't want to pay when I had an infringement dispute with them.


"In the highly unusual event of us purchasing a general image for online use we would not pay more than £25+VAT."

 

What cheek! 

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I quit worrying about small news papers in 1975.  I am only interested in images

to be licensed for publication, over and over again and Alamy has become my favorite

vehicle to do that.

 

I was dropped from the Live News upload and within hours and via a bit of communication

with the News Desk was approved again.  There were a few small hoops to jump through and

like a good trained Donkey I jumped through them.  As I have written many times on this

thread, "I've worked with most of the major news photo agencies over the years and Alamy

is the best I have seen."  If there is a problem it is most likely with the contributor.  The only

real concern that I have is, is Alamy really capable of distributing news photos for the highest

dollar amount?  I do not know the answer, but I am trying to see how Alamy does?

 

I will also add that Alamy's idea of uploading news images within an hour of an event is not

smart.  As an experiment on Joe Biden I photographed the event and then left to upload.  In

the process of leaving early, I missed some important images that I could have done.  The

oldest rule in "magazine photojournalism" is show up early and leave late.  I am not interested

in trying to compete with the wire services, their pictures are published for pennies on the day

of the event and then forgotten.  I am only interested in making iconic images that are licensed

over and over for decades.

 

Just my opinion,

 

Chuck Nacke

 

 

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Does anyone know is it shots uploaded within an hour of the event your attending finishing or is it within an hour of the shot being taken?

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11 hours ago, mickfly said:

There was proof available indeed.
 

Newsquest is to give £9,000 in prizes to its centres which publish the largest amount of free copy and photographs taken by readers.

Henry Faure Walker, the company's chief executive officer, has written to staff giving details of a competition which will result in a league table of newspapers and websites which can produce as many pages/stories as possible on the cheap. The "good, competitive fun", as he described it, will involve a top prize of £4,000 plus £3,000 for second place and £2,000 for coming third.

 

I was banned from my local newspaper when I questioned their 'Facebook Camera Club', which in my opinion was simply there to harvest pictures for their paper.

https://blog.mickflynnimages.com/2017/04/love-to-see-your-pictures-in-print-so.html
https://blog.mickflynnimages.com/2017/05/banned-from-my-local-newspaper.html

The editor also let me know that they really don't want to pay when I had an infringement dispute with them.


"In the highly unusual event of us purchasing a general image for online use we would not pay more than £25+VAT."

 

Good for you! Standing up is always right. I applaud your stand.

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Big,

 

To the best of my knowledge, News Photo Upload must be done on Alamy within 24 hours of the pictures being taken.

I usually make it within 6.

 

Chuck

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8 hours ago, Chuck Nacke said:

I will also add that Alamy's idea of uploading news images within an hour of an event is not

smart.  As an experiment on Joe Biden I photographed the event and then left to upload.  In

the process of leaving early, I missed some important images that I could have done.  The

oldest rule in "magazine photojournalism" is show up early and leave late.  I am not interested

in trying to compete with the wire services, their pictures are published for pennies on the day

of the event and then forgotten.  I am only interested in making iconic images that are licensed

over and over for decades.

The idea is not wrong, but it's difficult to achieve sometimes.

 

Saying that, I was at the big Brexit protest a month ago and watched staff photographers from PA and AP. 

They probably have basic captions pre-loaded, then they transfer the images via wifi to their phones and off they go. 

I'm sure they will sit down after the event and select a few more pix, but this is how it works nowadays.

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17 minutes ago, vpics said:

The idea is not wrong, but it's difficult to achieve sometimes.

 

Saying that, I was at the big Brexit protest a month ago and watched staff photographers from PA and AP. 

They probably have basic captions pre-loaded, then they transfer the images via wifi to their phones and off they go. 

I'm sure they will sit down after the event and select a few more pix, but this is how it works nowadays.

I work alongside agency photographers all the time.  Their photos go direct to the picture desks where they are edited,  captioned and distributed immediately. I have seen a picture taken by an agency tog appear on a newspaper web page in less than two minutes.  This plays to what Chuck was saying.  

 

There is is a danger of missing important shots as Chuck and I have said before.  A good example happened to me last week.   I photographed a Downing Street cabinet meeting last week.  I uploaded from there I was packing up when a number of cabinet ministers turned up for a national security meeting.  I was the only photographer in Downing Street.  I took the shoots.  But, I then had to rush round to the Cabinet office for Labour Party politicos arrive for Brexit talks. They turned up about half an hour late.  This was an important story so I filed those and moved on to the next story.  I did not file the national security story as the hour was up.  It turns out this was the meeting that “leaked” the Huawi decision - a key news story.  I was the only one with pictures but did not file.  Swings and roundabouts I guess.

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7 hours ago, Bigjimh71 said:

Does anyone know is it shots uploaded within an hour of the event your attending finishing or is it within an hour of the shot being taken?

It's not a hard rule to be taken literally. Alamy aren't the customer remember, but the news outlets. Think about how the images might be used. For 'breaking news' then the faster you upload the greater the chance of being published, for 'picture of the day' style images time is of less importance but still a factor. 

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