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We have all had those days. I recommend more coffee.

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At the risk of redsnapper disagreeing with me again, heaven forbid, take a look at T5B4TE . Are staged shots like this really live news material? Saleable yes but Live News?

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7 hours ago, Sultanpepa said:

At the risk of redsnapper disagreeing with me again, heaven forbid, take a look at T5B4TE . Are staged shots like this really live news material? Saleable yes but Live News?

It's live news because yesterday was St. George's Day and it's quirky enough for one of the tabloids to pick it up.  So yes, for me it's acceptable Live News.  In my opinion, of course.

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9 hours ago, Sultanpepa said:

At the risk of redsnapper disagreeing with me again, heaven forbid, take a look at T5B4TE . Are staged shots like this really live news material? Saleable yes but Live News?

 

Not to my own liking....and not something i'd  consider doing myself.....

 

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I must stop looking at the news feed - it now irritates.

There is a circus somewhere in Pakistan,  a local road forum in China,  and a bomb scare in the US.  

However local UK news other than weather?  Nope.

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Hi I'm a minimal contributer but a bona-fide member of the press and I've been bumped of the live feed. Has this happened to anyone else and have you fought your corner and won? I took it quite personally because of the many years I have shooting press. I know not to send mediocre stuff but still I got the chop. Now I have to fill in a form (which I have yet to find) and then submit. It looks like the cull still has weather pictures and demonstrations which I was told was not news. Thoughts welcome. Thank you. 

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weather + demos  + photocalls etc are not breaking news...they are still news

 

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Hello Gavin,

 

You'll find the form at -

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    • Additional Revenue Options
      • Reportage or archival or Live News Image Upload Service

I've gone through the re-application process and was treated fairly.

 

James

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2 hours ago, Gavin Crilly Photography said:

Hi I'm a minimal contributer but a bona-fide member of the press and I've been bumped of the live feed. Has this happened to anyone else and have you fought your corner and won? I took it quite personally because of the many years I have shooting press. I know not to send mediocre stuff but still I got the chop. Now I have to fill in a form (which I have yet to find) and then submit. It looks like the cull still has weather pictures and demonstrations which I was told was not news. Thoughts welcome. Thank you. 

In answer to your question, it has happened to quite a few someone elses who are bonafide members of the press and that includes people who were accredited to events by Alamy, travelled (with associated costs) and then got dumped unable to upload the photos they had been accredited to go and get.

You will find many examples on this thread - including some of the reapplication processes.

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10 hours ago, Starsphinx said:

However local UK news other than weather?  Nope.

 

Not so. Tuesday morning, 6:35 am. I followed the police vans down the road to take the photos. There are other UK news stories too but I'm not going to do a detailed search as I'm not the one saying that there aren't any! Oh, and I was out an hour earlier to get weather pics, which is why I came across the story!

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Front page for me tomorrow...

 

In this week's Southern Star

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Interesting twist.  I was at the Virgin Money London Marathon Elite Men’s photocall yesterday.  I took photos of Sir Mo Farah and a news story about him broke yesterday and pictures (don’t know if any of mine) are being used in the UK national papers and elsewhere.  

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12 hours ago, Colblimp said:

Front page for me tomorrow...

 

In this week's Southern Star

Weather.........not newsworthy at all😉

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14 hours ago, Keith Douglas said:

 

Not so. Tuesday morning, 6:35 am. I followed the police vans down the road to take the photos. There are other UK news stories too but I'm not going to do a detailed search as I'm not the one saying that there aren't any! Oh, and I was out an hour earlier to get weather pics, which is why I came across the story!

At the point I looked at the newsfeed there were local stories from the US, local stories from China,  local stories from Pakistan, but no local stories from the UK (although there were 3 or lots of weather from the UK)

This is not getting at you - it is me trying to highlight that for a supposedly UK agency UK local news was sparse at a time they have cut off a number of skilled decent UK contributors (and no I am not talking about myself).  I am far more irritated at how others much better than I have been dumped - and the way they were dumped.  

I know where I am there is a regional daily paper as well as weekly locals and daily nationals (I am in the Western Daily Press area).  I have no idea whether other areas have a similar regional - maybe they don't and the reason that local news stuff does not sell in the UK is a market lack.  All I know is I would expect to see stories on serious road accidents, protests, significant planning applications from the UK on the newsfeed.  If a circus in Pakistan is news,  if a road forum in China is news are not the same things here news?  Yes I know it is about what sells - but if you tell me a circus in Pakistan sells I am going to be very doubtful.

Edit - when I say local news I mean local news that happens outside of London - London is well covered.

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36 minutes ago, Starsphinx said:

I know where I am there is a regional daily paper as well as weekly locals and daily nationals (I am in the Western Daily Press area).  I have no idea whether other areas have a similar regional - maybe they don't and the reason that local news stuff does not sell in the UK is a market lack.  All I know is I would expect to see stories on serious road accidents, protests, significant planning applications from the UK on the newsfeed.  If a circus in Pakistan is news,  if a road forum in China is news are not the same things here news?  Yes I know it is about what sells - but if you tell me a circus in Pakistan sells I am going to be very doubtful.

Edit - when I say local news I mean local news that happens outside of London - London is well covered.

 

Do local newspapers actually pay for photography these days? Would they actually license a picture from Alamy or anywhere else? Where I live (Peterborough, population around 200,000), what used to be the local daily paper is now a weekly, everything is now online and the photography appears to be mainly citizen journalism provided free. The local Toys'R'Us burned down a few nights ago which is probably the biggest thing that has happened here since the Fiona Onasanya debacle. You can judge the photography and where it was sourced yourself but I doubt they paid a penny for it.  The quality of the imagery speaks for itself.

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3 minutes ago, MDM said:

 

Do local newspapers actually pay for photography these days? Would they actually license a picture from Alamy or anywhere else? Where I live (Peterborough, population around 170,000), what used to be the local daily paper is now a weekly, everything is now online and the photography appears to be mainly citizen journalism provided free. The local Toys'R'Us burned down a few nights ago which is probably the biggest thing that has happened here since the Fiona Onasanya debacle. You can judge the photography and where it was sourced yourself but I doubt they paid a penny for it.  The quality of the imagery speaks for itself.

I would say it depends entirely on which group owns the local newspapers and what their plans are for them.  I live close to the edge of a county and my main activity is shooting football - I cover several teams in a couple of different leagues. 

In the county where I live the locals are owned by Newsquest.  The Newsquest plan seems to be to turn them from new to community service.  They have been cutting and cutting staff for several years (way before I got interested) - they plead poverty (Newsquest is not in any way shape or form in poverty) and get people to send in photos and stories free "to get their byline in the paper".  3 years ago they had a couple of pro photojournalists and would pay club photographers (the role I am in now) for shots.  They now  use photographers on a daily contract basis (and boy do they make that day work).  They will not pay club photographers - so club photographers do not provide photos and they use a single stock photo of 2 pairs of legs and a football (the legs are not even in any local team colours) to report on any match below division 2.  Their reports are pants too.  They are not much better on actual news like major accidents and stuff - they have photographers on call but will get stuff off Joe Public for nothing if they can and at least once have totally failed to report anything on a biggish story - the attempted murder I covered because it was just down the road.

Compare that with the neighbouring county where the group is owned by Trinity Mirror - not only do they pay club photographers but they will send staff photographer/reporters to matches 5 leagues lower than division 2.  Not every match but if they have someone spare they go to a match where there is not a resident club photographer shoot it and report on it.  They also pay freelancers for covering local events like carnivals etc if they have not got staff available.  By all feedback their reporting is better, their coverage is better and they have a much better customer base.  They are old fashioned news - not community service.  

I know the first uses ordinary stock images - not sure where from - and uses them badly.  I do not know if the second would buy from Alamy for the simple fact if I come across something in their area I will approach them directly because they will pay.  The regional I spoke about definitely uses agencies - and will also pay direct.   Looking at the NUJ site on local papers some are decent - and genuinely strapped for cash but will pay what they can - while others the NUJ goes as far as refusing to recommend photographers deal with them.  If someone says a local paper is saying they cannot afford to pay for photography I say look and see who owns it - because the chances are it is owned by a big group who while not rolling in can certainly afford to pay for photography - if people stopped sending it for free.

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I have done some stuff for Newsquest. The rumour at the time was that they got a bonus for the paper that paid the least for photography, although I have never seen any proof that this was true. They stopped asking me to cover events when I asked them to cover some of my expenses. In response to that, they just got some young lad who was willing to do it for free instead. 

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21 minutes ago, Starsphinx said:

get people to send in photos and stories free "to get their byline in the paper". 

- they have photographers on call but will get stuff off Joe Public for nothing if they can

 - if people stopped sending it for free.

In a nutshell. You’re not going to stop local/regional papers from getting all the photos they need for free.

My local paper won’t pay for anything at all.

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3 minutes ago, Bigjimh71 said:

I have done some stuff for Newsquest. The rumour at the time was that they got a bonus for the paper that paid the least for photography, although I have never seen any proof that this was true. They stopped asking me to cover events when I asked them to cover some of my expenses. In response to that, they just got some young lad who was willing to do it for free instead. 

They definitely have one of the worst reputations.   

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3 minutes ago, Sally said:

In a nutshell. You’re not going to stop local/regional papers from getting all the photos they need for free.

My local paper won’t pay for anything at all.

Pretty much the same here too. They also use generic images from Google Street View rather than a picture illustrating the actual news story. 

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2 minutes ago, Sally said:

In a nutshell. You’re not going to stop local/regional papers from getting all the photos they need for free.

My local paper won’t pay for anything at all.

For me its a balancing act - there are 2 local town papers, family-owned going for generations, who really are on shoestring budgets.  They are invariably polite in requests and offer an advertisement (an actual box print advert not an attribution) instead of fees which I have no issue with.  My problem is with the likes of Newsquest who have multimillion pound turnover and won't pay diddly.  It does provide a sticking point - clubs want their games reported if they do not provide the free image they do not get mentioned, so continue providing it free.

 

3 minutes ago, Keith Douglas said:

Pretty much the same here too. They also use generic images from Google Street View rather than a picture illustrating the actual news story. 

This could go on for pages.  All I can say is not all are the same - there are still good guys out there and I hope over time they will get back into the ascendency because they provide better quality - and people will discover that again.

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With the US office earning more than the UK I wonder how that works out when it comes to live news?

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3 hours ago, Shergar said:

The times have changed .

 

 

"That means an exclusive “Just Like Us” photo that would have fetched $5,000 to $15,000 before, now pays only $5 or $10."

 That was an interesting article (with a couple Alamy shots!). Thanks for sharing.

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