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3 minutes ago, Matt Ashmore said:

 

What does this actually mean? Are these images on sale immediately? There still seems like little point pushing a picture of a beautiful sunset like I sold via Live news fairly recently... at the moment, a different agency seems like a better option.

 

I've got the same email. I am guessing that reportage by-passes the usual QC queue and is available immediately, but whether such images are highlighted to the news agencies in any way, shape or form,  is unclear. It would be helpful if Alamy explained just how the reportage route might function in the aftermath of Live News limitations, so that we second-class news submitters might know how best to make use of such  news images as we produce.

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1 minute ago, Joseph Clemson said:

highlighted to the news agencies in any way, shape or form

Read what it says:

17 minutes ago, Alamy said:

but it won’t end up on the news feed to be pinged to the news desks.

Plain for all to see!!!

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The comment about the green faces has now been deleted! but an event that attracts nearly 100,000 people if you include the Mayday Bike Run is a major event in my book (I'm there every year)

I should add along with Getty, PA, local Hastings Observer and others!

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Reportage/Archival

We have an additional upload route for collections of reportage or archival images which might not meet our technical standards for regular stock imagery.

  • What do we mean by reportage images?
    Photojournalistic images illustrating a story but captured under difficult circumstances and might not pass our standard QC checks. Examples include photo essays or features.
  • What do we mean by archival images?
    Images that are historically or culturally significant, examples include film stills, press archives and specialist collections.

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6 minutes ago, Matt Ashmore said:

 

What does this actually mean? Are these images on sale immediately? There still seems like little point pushing a picture of a beautiful sunset like I sold via Live news fairly recently... at the moment, a different agency seems like a better option.

Looks like the soft/topical news access proposed somewhere earlier in this very long thread. It has the benefit of being quicker than going through qc saving a day or so and getting images to the top of the "new" search. IMHO cost's nothing may get more images sold.

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5 minutes ago, Joseph Clemson said:

 

I've got the same email. I am guessing that reportage by-passes the usual QC queue and is available immediately, but whether such images are highlighted to the news agencies in any way, shape or form,  is unclear. 

 

I'm thinking not as Alamy state:

 

22 minutes ago, Alamy said:

but it won’t end up on the news feed to be pinged to the news desks.

 

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4 minutes ago, Alamy said:

Reportage/Archival

We have an additional upload route for collections of reportage or archival images which might not meet our technical standards for regular stock imagery.

  • What do we mean by reportage images?
    Photojournalistic images illustrating a story but captured under difficult circumstances and might not pass our standard QC checks. Examples include photo essays or features.
  • What do we mean by archival images?
    Images that are historically or culturally significant, examples include film stills, press archives and specialist collections.

Alamy

What is the format of IPTC data required as it is not live news?

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3 minutes ago, LawrensonPhoto said:

Read what it says:

Plain for all to see!!!

 

I fully understand that the reportage images are not being actively  promoted to the news agencies. That being the case, the only difference I can see with reportage is that the images by-pass QC and, I assume, enter the normal library.

 

If the image I am submitting (typically a regional/local event) is time -sensitive, to the extent of being mainly of possible interest to the publishers of the next day's newspapers, then simply bypassing QC and entering the normal library is not going to be terribly helpful. What I would be hoping for is, if you like, a secondary news stream which is not actively pinged to the news agencies, but to which they can refer to if they choose to see what current secondary editorial is being submitted that day.

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1 minute ago, Joseph Clemson said:

 

I fully understand that the reportage images are not being actively  promoted to the news agencies. That being the case, the only difference I can see with reportage is that the images by-pass QC and, I assume, enter the normal library.

 

If the image I am submitting (typically a regional/local event) is time -sensitive, to the extent of being mainly of possible interest to the publishers of the next day's newspapers, then simply bypassing QC and entering the normal library is not going to be terribly helpful. What I would be hoping for is, if you like, a secondary news stream which is not actively pinged to the news agencies, but to which they can refer to if they choose to see what current secondary editorial is being submitted that day.

 

Yep.. that's pretty much my thoughts!

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Nobody is stopping you formatting the caption as if it was live news! Get creative so you don't reach the 150 character limit. 😉

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37 minutes ago, Matt Ashmore said:

 

What does this actually mean? Are these images on sale immediately? There still seems like little point pushing a picture of a beautiful sunset like I sold via Live news fairly recently... at the moment, a different agency seems like a better option.

Absolutely agree. Sorry, Alamy, but this is absolutely pointless. Why would someone who has been denied access to the news feed want to attend a news event in order to upload images for archive / reportage (possibly of lower quality - bypassing QC)? I'm not going out of my way to do this and I can't for the life of me understand why anyone else would want to do so!

 

If someone is covering news, then they are more likely to seek other outlets.   If anyone is going to cover something in passing, then surely they will just upload to normal stock?

 

Am I missing something here? 

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18 minutes ago, LawrensonPhoto said:

Nobody is stopping you formatting the caption as if it was live news! Get creative so you don't reach the 150 character limit. 😉

 

reportage/archive has a 600 character limit, just like LiveNews

 

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For me this makes sense.

I do `a lot of live music that stuff that would not pass standard QC due to noise but that isn't of instant interest to news desks. The reportage route is perfect for that. Obviously bigger bands and festivals will be worth uploading to live news, but Level 42 playing Wickham Festival is unlikely to be worth a push unless something unusual happens.

It's the same with a couple of protests I covered recently. They were small, peaceful and were not going to get any interest from the nationals so reportage would have been perfect for them.

While I now understand what happened and why and think the end result will be a good one, I still think that it was not well communicated. Unfortunately from what I hear that is not uncommon amongst editorial photo agencies.

So for me, it's a question of a few minor changes to my workflow and just get on with it.

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I received the email as well, and I'm glad to now have archival/reportage access.  It is timely because I just prepped a couple of images yesterday based on a recent customer's search. A couple of my live news images from 2015 had been zoomed several times.  There are almost no other images in alamy's library on that topic so I decided to go back to my files and work on a couple more from that shoot.  But I was hesitant to submit them to QC because the sharpness is reduced because of the conditions at that time.  Now I have a way to submit them without worrying about QC.

 

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1 minute ago, MariaJ said:

I received the email as well, and I'm glad to now have archival/reportage access.  It is timely because I just prepped a couple of images yesterday based on a recent customer's search. A couple of my live news images from 2015 had been zoomed several times.  There are almost no other images in alamy's library on that topic so I decided to go back to my files and work on a couple more from that shoot.  But I was hesitant to submit them to QC because the sharpness is reduced because of the conditions at that time.  Now I have a way to submit them without worrying about QC.

 

Maria

I hadn’t thought about that use of this route. Good idea. 

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8 minutes ago, Bigjimh71 said:

For me this makes sense.

I do `a lot of live music that stuff that would not pass standard QC due to noise but that isn't of instant interest to news desks. The reportage route is perfect for that. Obviously bigger bands and festivals will be worth uploading to live news, but Level 42 playing Wickham Festival is unlikely to be worth a push unless something unusual happens.

It's the same with a couple of protests I covered recently. They were small, peaceful and were not going to get any interest from the nationals so reportage would have been perfect for them.

While I now understand what happened and why and think the end result will be a good one, I still think that it was not well communicated. Unfortunately from what I hear that is not uncommon amongst editorial photo agencies.

So for me, it's a question of a few minor changes to my workflow and just get on with it.

 

As soon as I saw the reportage route being opened up I remembered your previous post about focus issues and still getting a picture into the Times. Concert pictures are the definition of "captured under difficult circumstances ".  Good luck.

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2 hours ago, Alamy said:

Just a quick update on this from us.

 

Firstly - there is no cover-up/conspiracy here.  As previously mentioned, we took the decision to remove automatic access to the news feed to all as this past year we’ve seen a dramatic increase of imagery that isn’t suitable, either due to the content itself or from  incorrectly formatted captions. Dealing with this was taking up a considerable amount of time that would otherwise be spent pushing the best content to our Live News clients. For this reason, news access was limited to those who used news upload regularly and had made live news sales. If you didn't use it regularly or didn't make many live news sales, then access was removed. Applications are open if you lost access but want it returned. As you can imagine, demand has been high for this and we're working through the applications as quickly as possible. 

 

As this process involved tens of thousands contributors, we took the decision to only email those who had used the live news service since January 2018, as anyone not uploading since then were effectively not active. We're sorry this has not been welcomed by some of you who didn't get the email notification. 

 

We also recognise that some of you had uploaded images as live news that later had sold as secondary stock, so you were concerned that without news upload then these images would not have been available. As a result of this, as from today, if you are someone who has uploaded news imagery that has later sold as secondary stock, we’ve given you access to the archive / reportage route which means you can upload similar work for secondary sales, but it won’t end up on the news feed to be pinged to the news desks. This means you should still be able to benefit from those stock sales of "news style" imagery, even if it's not live news. This does not affect your live news application if you have already submitted one.

 

For those who don't have access to the archive / reportage route, as with Live News, applications are open and are available via your contributor dashboard.

 

Alamy

Yeah and for murders appearing on the front pages of national newspapers?  You know the sort of thing that should be pinged to newsdesks and which you, Alamy, would have had exclusives on,  if you had not closed live news to your photographer who lives 15 miles from it, who was informed about the incident 2 hours after it started (about 12 hours before its importance became known and the nationals started chasing it)  and who decided that as there was no live news access it was pointless chasing after local live news when there was nowhere to send it.

The lesson I have taken from this is next time I am informed on local live news I will go and chase it and I will find an agency who is not concerned I only do 3 or 4 stories a year who are prepared to take my stuff fast so next time I do not miss a big story.

 

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It’s been mentioned several times that images uploaded as Live News often go on to make sales at a later date and I assume these sales are usage that’s more like general stock rather than news that’s being published late. It should be fairly straight forward to shoot secondary news type images of things like events, weather and people doing things and then upload via archive/reportage and not have to worry about passing the regular QC for general stock. Without the time urgency for Live News uploads then it also gives us chance to edit and process the images properly too.

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2 hours ago, Alamy said:

 

We also recognise that some of you had uploaded images as live news that later had sold as secondary stock, so you were concerned that without news upload then these images would not have been available. As a result of this, as from today, if you are someone who has uploaded news imagery that has later sold as secondary stock, we’ve given you access to the archive / reportage route which means you can upload similar work for secondary sales, but it won’t end up on the news feed to be pinged to the news desks. This means you should still be able to benefit from those stock sales of "news style" imagery, even if it's not live news. This does not affect your live news application if you have already submitted one.

 

For those who don't have access to the archive / reportage route, as with Live News, applications are open and are available via your contributor dashboard.

 

Alamy

 

 

Hi Alamy

 

Should this be available now - I don't seem to have access to Reportage, or received an email -  yet I do have Live News sold as stock - N00Y31

 

(There is a local event I plan to attend this weekend that I would be able to submit via Alamy if Reportage is available and more suitable than Live News)

 

Regards

 

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7 minutes ago, AndrewP said:

It’s been mentioned several times that images uploaded as Live News often go on to make sales at a later date and I assume these sales are usage that’s more like general stock rather than news that’s being published late. It should be fairly straight forward to shoot secondary news type images of things like events, weather and people doing things and then upload via archive/reportage and not have to worry about passing the regular QC for general stock. Without the time urgency for Live News uploads then it also gives us chance to edit and process the images properly too.

 

I think whether this is useful depends on the event or images. I think it's probably not useful for many topical 'weather' shots. But if you are at a concert, a carnival or a marathon or something like that, then it's probably a good option.

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2 hours ago, RedSnapper said:

 

reportage/archive has a 600 character limit, just like LiveNews

 

km

Excellent, so shoot the event as if it’s live news upload via archive and it should be available after the overnight update the following morning. 

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A move in the right direction, but perhaps a little more discrimination could have been used in weeding out those who were, apparently, uploading masses of irrelevant photos as compared to those of us who might upload a small number of relevant news shots very occasionally.

 

I can envisage that the new reportage route will be prone to abuse from some who will just use it as a means to circumvent QC. I trust that there will be some moderation?

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4 hours ago, Jools Devon said:

 

 

Hi Alamy

 

Should this be available now - I don't seem to have access to Reportage, or received an email -  yet I do have Live News sold as stock - N00Y31

 

(There is a local event I plan to attend this weekend that I would be able to submit via Alamy if Reportage is available and more suitable than Live News)

 

Regards

 

 

Hi Jools Devon,

 

We noticed this is a Stockimo image. Contributors with news images uploaded via Stockimo and later sold as stock will get access to the Archival/reportage upload route too, but we have not yet got that far in the process. You will receive an email once the upload route is activated in your account.

 

All the best

Alamy

 

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5 hours ago, Mr Standfast said:

Looks like the soft/topical news access proposed somewhere earlier in this very long thread. It has the benefit of being quicker than going through qc saving a day or so and getting images to the top of the "new" search. IMHO cost's nothing may get more images sold.

Seems a good opportunity for some secondary marketing. Immediately the image is available on the Alamy servers hit Twitter/Instagram/etc. with a link & let Alamy handle the contractual side for any buyers.

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2 hours ago, Bryan said:

A move in the right direction, but perhaps a little more discrimination could have been used in weeding out those who were, apparently, uploading masses of irrelevant photos as compared to those of us who might upload a small number of relevant news shots very occasionally.

 

I can envisage that the new reportage route will be prone to abuse from some who will just use it as a means to circumvent QC. I trust that there will be some moderation?

It was very clear that people were uploading without captions, as multiple singles flooding the page or just images which were clearly not news or unusual weather just to bypass QC.


Did this happen when they allowed anyone to upload to live news, instead of having people apply to upload?


I would have thought they could have just allowed the people who had originally requested, and been allowed access to continue but closed down the others.


I have been allowed the archive/reportage route, but I never used the live news route to bypass QC and had both live news sales (albeit mainly weather pics) and secondary sales so I have re-applied, but it peeves me to see the same stuff on the news feed even today... ie rape fields in Germany for instance, and wonder why?

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