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8 minutes ago, Ed Rooney said:

If you believe that story, Betty, I have an offer of part ownership of an amazing bridge that connects Brooklyn with Manhattan that you might be interested in. 

Do you want a check or shall I use PayPal? I’ll put it beside my oceanfront property in Kansas.

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From what I've read, there were were more bears than humans in the USA in 1776, so it made sense to arm them back then, as long as they agreed to fight in militias of course. I believe there's still a special provision buried somewhere in the US constitution that allows bears to go AWOL during mating season.  However, I could be wrong about that. I'm no expert on these matters. 🤠

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Personally I think the UK government are taking the right approach and fully support their plan.

Its all very well suggesting its for economic reasons only, but the knee jerk reactions taken by a lot of countries will prove to be worthless. Closing the stable door springs to mind.

It's unbelievable the hysteria that is going on. If every country completely isolates you will see a collapse of the entire worlds economy and if anyone thinks the virus is bad then god forbid that happens.

Look at Italy. The north of the country has been in lockdown for a couple of weeks and the whole country for nearly a week, yet today they have had 3500 new cases and a 175 new deaths, so what good has the lockdown done?

We as individuals have to take responsibility for ourselves, our families and community to delay the spread of the disease as much as possible, don't expect your government to do the impossible under extreme circumstances. 

I notice today that Japan, which seemed to have had it under control has had 70 new cases, which shows that virus is in the world community and will reappear as soon as there is a slight let up in precautions.

All the countries that have gone into lockdown will see it reappear as soon as restrictions are lifted.

I think the Marxists and anarchists believe it is an answer to their prayers to see the collapse of the worlds economy,  it's up to the more sane amongst us to carry on as best we can.

 

  

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31 minutes ago, John Mitchell said:

From what I've read, there were were more bears than humans in the USA in 1776, so it made sense to arm them back then, as long as they agreed to fight in militias of course. I believe there's still a special provision buried somewhere in the US constitution that allows bears to go AWOL during mating season.  However, I could be wrong about that. I'm no expert on these matters. 🤠

Sure, you read it. Since I hadn’t yet been born, then, I’ll trust your first-hand experience, John, expert or not. :D

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8 minutes ago, Betty LaRue said:

Sure, you read it. Since I hadn’t yet been born, then, I’ll trust your first-hand experience, John, expert or not. :D

 

Thanks. I've heard that there were other issues as well. Apparently, it turns out that bears, contrary to popular belief, are really quite peaceful creatures, more peace-loving than humans in fact. Consequently, a lot of them found having to fight in militias "unbearable" (sorry) so they turned in  their assault muskets and went and lived in the woods. That's why you see so few bears in most of the US these days. A few of them crossed into Canada, of course. The End. 😴

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2 minutes ago, John Mitchell said:

 

Thanks. I've heard that there were other issues as well. Apparently, it turns out that bears, contrary to popular belief, are really quite peaceful creatures, more peace-loving than humans in fact. Consequently, a lot of them found having to fight in militias "unbearable" (sorry) so they turned in  their assault muskets and went and lived in the woods. That's why you see so few bears in most of the US these days. A few of them crossed into Canada, of course. The End. 😴

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I’m starting to feel the economic effects of the coronavirus on my freelance photography biz, had two shoots permanently canceled in the last couple of days.  I am sure getting new assignments will be tougher in the comings weeks/months.  Hopefully I have enough cash reserves to get me thru these possibly lean times and trying to stay healthy at the same time.  Sort of feels like we are in a world war....but with one big difference, all the people are hopefully on the same team.

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37 minutes ago, BobD said:

Personally I think the UK government are taking the right approach and fully support their plan..

Closing the stable door springs to mind.

 

37 minutes ago, BobD said:

I think the Marxists and anarchists believe it is an answer to their prayers to see the collapse of the worlds economy,  it's up to the more sane amongst us to carry on as best we can

 

Turkeys voting for Christmas comes to mind as well as closing stable doors.The government approach appears to be one of just leaving the doors open.  I guess you are free of underlying illnesses and fully expect to be fine or happy to sacrifice for the good of the herd. Praying Marxists. Sure you don’t mean praying mantises? Makes about as much sense. 

 

 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Michael Ventura said:

I’m starting to feel the economic effects of the coronavirus on my freelance photography biz, had two shoots permanently canceled in the last couple of days.  I am sure getting new assignments will be tougher in the comings weeks/months.  Hopefully I have enough cash reserves to get me thru these possibly lean times and trying to stay healthy at the same time.  Sort of feels like we are in a world war....but with one big difference, all the people are hopefully on the same team.


It would be great if that was true as a global effort is needed but nationalism and xenophobia appear to be playing their typical roles. I think a lot of stuff is going to get cancelled or postponed. Wish you luck. 

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2 hours ago, BobD said:

Personally I think the UK government are taking the right approach and fully support their plan.

Its all very well suggesting its for economic reasons only, but the knee jerk reactions taken by a lot of countries will prove to be worthless. Closing the stable door springs to mind.

It's unbelievable the hysteria that is going on. If every country completely isolates you will see a collapse of the entire worlds economy and if anyone thinks the virus is bad then god forbid that happens.

Look at Italy. The north of the country has been in lockdown for a couple of weeks and the whole country for nearly a week, yet today they have had 3500 new cases and a 175 new deaths, so what good has the lockdown done?

We as individuals have to take responsibility for ourselves, our families and community to delay the spread of the disease as much as possible, don't expect your government to do the impossible under extreme circumstances. 

I notice today that Japan, which seemed to have had it under control has had 70 new cases, which shows that virus is in the world community and will reappear as soon as there is a slight let up in precautions.

All the countries that have gone into lockdown will see it reappear as soon as restrictions are lifted.

I think the Marxists and anarchists believe it is an answer to their prayers to see the collapse of the worlds economy,  it's up to the more sane amongst us to carry on as best we can.

 

  

 

I cannot for the life of me understand the argument that the UK's position, contrary to its own medical and scientific advice, is correct . . . and indeed, it has been noted that the UK approach is beginning to change to become more in line with that medical and scientific advice.

 

I'm amazed at the ease some are willing to throw under the bus the medically compromised, the elderly, those undertaking radiation therapy, those on chemo, those with any of the many forms of dementia that weaken one physically. Truly, mind-numbingly astounding. The number of folk who do not yet realise that restrictions as recommended by the epidemiologists are not to protect any one individual (you or me), they are to decrease the risk (a different thing) to any one individual and to slow down the infection-rate, while at the same time preventing health resources from being overwhelmed, which would force said health resources to begin "picking winners" by turning away from those being treated for cancer, those over a certain age, those recovering from a different serious disease. And if you slow it down enough to say . . . ummm, oh I don't know . . . maybe until there is a vaccine, then it is not beyond the imagination of even the most selfish that thousands if not millions may be saved from . . . well, from dying.

 

So I'm willing to do what I can, withing the advice from experts I rely on to speak up over the noise of all the crap pseudo-scientific "information" and non-science-based opinion, to reduce my own and my family's risk PLUS contribute to the efforts of my community to be hopefully be able to provide necessary health care for everbody, not just those most likely to survive.

 

DD

 

 

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2 hours ago, MDM said:


It would be great if that was true as a global effort is needed but nationalism and xenophobia appear to be playing their typical roles. I think a lot of stuff is going to get cancelled or postponed. Wish you luck. 

Michael, each country has their own ideas how to fight it, and there is some backbiting going on between countries. It’s inevitable, I fear. Japan was angry with the USA for closing travel from them, then when they had an influx of new cases that came across their borders, they closed incoming travel.  That’s called eating crow, and there’s probably a lot of that going on. 

I wish it weren’t so, but it is what it is. We all just need to stay calm and do our part. That’s all we can do.

Has your wife’s school closed down? Is she well?

Betty

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3 hours ago, BobD said:

All the countries that have gone into lockdown will see it reappear as soon as restrictions are lifted. 

 

To rephrase . . . as soon as restrictions are lifted, more people die (that is, people who wouldn't have died will die) . . . so . . . while we're waiting for a vaccine, let's remove restrictions so those people who wouldn't have died do in fact die vs let's try as much as we can to restrict its spread so those who won't die don't die . . . hmmm . . . tough decision?

 

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14 minutes ago, dustydingo said:

 

I cannot for the life of me understand the argument that the UK's position, contrary to its own medical and scientific advice, is correct . . . and indeed, it has been noted that the UK approach is beginning to change to become more in line with that medical and scientific advice.

 

I'm amazed at the ease some are willing to throw under the bus the medically compromised, the elderly, those undertaking radiation therapy, those on chemo, those with any of the many forms of dementia that weaken one physically. Truly, mind-numbingly astounding. The number of folk who do not yet realise that restrictions as recommended by the epidemiologists are not to protect any one individual (you or me), they are to decrease the risk (a different thing) to any one individual and to slow down the infection-rate, while at the same time preventing health resources from being overwhelmed, which would force said health resources to begin "picking winners" by turning away from those being treated for cancer, those over a certain age, those recovering from a different serious disease. And if you slow it down enough to say . . . ummm, oh I don't know . . . maybe until there is a vaccine, then it is not beyond the imagination of even the most selfish that thousands if not millions may be saved from . . . well, from dying.

 

So I'm willing to do what I can, withing the advice from experts I rely on to speak up over the noise of all the crap pseudo-scientific "information" and non-science-based opinion, to reduce my own and my family's risk PLUS contribute to the efforts of my community to be hopefully be able to provide necessary health care for everbody, not just those most likely to survive.

 

DD

 

 

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On ‎13‎/‎03‎/‎2020 at 16:35, Betty LaRue said:

Smartest thing anyone has said. Most people want to point fingers and blame. Blame the leaders, blame this person, this country, they should have done this sooner, they shoulda, shoulda. Then here comes politics.

And you have it right. Put the blame at the source. Wet markets. Obviously, China doesn’t care if their people get sick and die, so why would they care about the rest of the world?

Good for you for saying what needed saying. 👍 

It’s here. Your country, my country. Let’s pull together to do our part to stop the spread so the hospitals and doctors won’t be forced to let an older person die in order to give a younger person a ventilator or a bed.

Betty

Betty,

 

I really do not appreciate your comment about China.  How much time have you spent there?

 

I had thought better of you before reading your comment. 

 

Chuck

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3 hours ago, Chuck Nacke said:

Betty,

 

I really do not appreciate your comment about China.  How much time have you spent there?

 

I had thought better of you before reading your comment. 

 

Chuck

Chuck,

Maybe you should also have quoted the post Betty was replying too? It puts her remarks into context. 

 

“Its all very well  criticising our governments but in all this thread I have seen no criticism of the Chinese who have allowed these disgusting wet markets to thrive in the most inhumane and unhygienic conditions imaginable.  The sars virus was a warning but they took little head and allowed the markets to open again after a short shut down. Lets hope they learn the lesson this time or one day a pandemic will happen that will wipe out half of the worlds population.”

 

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9 hours ago, BobD said:

Look at Italy. The north of the country has been in lockdown for a couple of weeks and the whole country for nearly a week, yet today they have had 3500 new cases and a 175 new deaths, so what good has the lockdown done?

 

I think the Marxists and anarchists believe it is an answer to their prayers to see the collapse of the worlds economy,  it's up to the more sane amongst us to carry on as best we can.

 

  

 

Scientists are saying that the lockdowns came too late in Italy, they should have started much sooner to prevent such a spike in cases.  Learning from their mistakes, other countries are trying to take action sooner, rather than later, to flatten the curve of new cases so that health care systems don't get overwhelmed.   It's not just the elderly and medically vulnerable that should worry about this, but anyone who relies on getting medical care, whether it be required surgeries, monitoring chronic illnesses, cancer treatments, and so on will pay the costs if medical staff and hospital space are unavailable.

 

I've read that about 1 in 5 people need hospitalization from the virus, and of those, about a quarter need intensive care.  If we take serious measures to reduce the speed of transmission right now, those requiring serious medical care will have a chance of getting it.  Otherwise death rates will go up.

 

I don't see what Marxists and anarchists have to do with anything; this is about trying to save people's lives.

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Here's my two € cents. 

 

I think cancelling concerts and sports events is a good idea. Working from home, if possible, is a good idea. Having some amount of canned food and toilet paper at home is a good idea.

 

However, I don't think travel restrictions and locked up borders between countries in the same position will do any good. My trip to NYC next Thursday was cancelled. We have 225 conformed cases in Finland, so I don't think I would have been a big threat to U.S. health care system. Personally I'm OK with that, though I may not get back money from the hotel booking. If I happen to get sick, I rather do it here than 6600 km from home.    

 

However my wife's niece, who is studying on athletic scholarship in Michigan just got the news that the campus and the dorms will be closed. She has nowhere to go and can't get back home, since there are no flights. That's pretty harsh situation for someone who's on her own for the first time.

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On 13/03/2020 at 13:39, BobD said:

 

I don't think there is much the government can do, closing the whole country down is not the answer, as you said the virus is out there.

People have to take responsibility for themselves and family, if you are at all worried there is nothing stopping you from doing for yourself what you think the government should be doing.

 

Its all very well  criticising our governments but in all this thread I have seen no criticism of the Chinese who have allowed these disgusting wet markets to thrive in the most inhumane and unhygienic conditions imaginable.  The sars virus was a warning but they took little head and allowed the markets to open again after a short shut down. Lets hope they learn the lesson this time or one day a pandemic will happen that will wipe out half of the worlds population.

 

Let's remember to distinguish between Chinese and Chinese government.  Referring to Chinese as a whole leads to prejudice and racism because your normal average people cannot distinguish between the two. Right now there has been increased tension, harassment, xenophobia, and  racist attacks against Asians all over the world blaming anybody of asian decent on this pandemic.  I myself have been on heightened alert.

 

THANK YOU.

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"The British Public has had enough of experts". Not me, Michael Gove in June 2016 to counter a request to name any economists that thought Brxxit would be a good idea. Now the same team are keen to put the advice of their 'experts' to the fore.  Yesterday the death toll in the UK almost doubled from 11 to 21 and as a response to this news the government are proposing to ask the likes of JCB and Rolls Royce to investigate the feasibility of manufacturing ventilators. Now I'm just an armchair expert but I knew 6 weeks ago that the lack of ventilators was going to be a limiting factor when saving the lives of the vulnerable and that we had a low per capita availability of them compared to other countries, Italy for example, not to mention the nurses that need to be sourced and trained to look after those patients. Maybe, just maybe, JCB and Rolls Royce could have been approached 6 weeks ago, where was the government's expert advice then.

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22 minutes ago, JaniMarkus Hasa said:

However, I don't think travel restrictions and locked up borders between countries in the same position will do any good.

 

Thankfully, and with respect of course (and I do mean that sincerely :) ), I'm glad that decisions are being made around the world based on the best epidemiological modelling, not your opinion.

 

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3 minutes ago, Harry Harrison said:

"The British Public has had enough of experts". Not me, Michael Gove in June 2016 to counter a request to name any economists that thought Brxxit would be a good idea. Now the same team are keen to put the advice of their 'experts' to the fore.  Yesterday the death toll in the UK almost doubled from 11 to 21 and as a response to this news the government are proposing to ask the likes of JCB and Rolls Royce to investigate the feasibility of manufacturing ventilators. Now I'm just an armchair expert but I knew 6 weeks ago that the lack of ventilators was going to be a limiting factor when saving the lives of the vulnerable and that we had a low per capita availability of them compared to other countries, Italy for example, not to mention the nurses that need to be sourced and trained to look after those patients. Maybe, just maybe, JCB and Rolls Royce could have been approached 6 weeks ago, where was the expert advice then.

 

+1 to why were preparations not commenced much, much earlier :)

 

I think the question is less "where" was the expert advice (said advice has been available and acted upon by many governments around the world for the past many weeks) but more "why" was the expert advice ignored by some governments?

 

DD

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What about travel plans to take photos - ie) tourist hot spots that are usually overcrowded, also photographing the impacts of the pandemic?

 

What opportunities are there? Bargains possibly? 

 

I've been thinking this morning of UK destinations so as to avoid any 'lockdown' overseas - staying with a day or two journey from home, going by car

 

Opportunities to photograph a phenomena which could be unique because even if the virus never disappears I can't imagine that the situation will ever be the same as now.

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4 minutes ago, sooth said:

Let's remember to distinguish between Chinese and Chinese government.  Referring to Chinese as a whole leads to prejudice and racism because your normal average people cannot distinguish between the two. Right now there has been increased tension, harassment, xenophobia, and  racist attacks against Asians all over the world blaming anybody of asian decent on this pandemic.  I myself have been on heightened alert.

 

THANK YOU.

 

I totally agree. Some politicians use nationalism and xenophobia for their own political gains and to pass the blame on. That is how populism works - convince the naive and gullible that they are under attack from whoever it might be using clever soundbites to win over the masses: reds under the bed, marxists, immigrants, whatever ethnic minority is flavour of the month.  Unfortunately racism is still rife in western society and breeds on ignorance. The sad thing is that a lot of racists really don't realise they are racists. 

 

 

 

 

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