Can covid-19 disease outbreak influence photos sales worldwide?

[Chuck Nacke]

3 hours ago, MDM said:

 

I totally agree. Some politicians use nationalism and xenophobia for their own political gains and to pass the blame on. That is how populism works - convince the naive and gullible that they are under attack from whoever it might be using clever soundbites to win over the masses: reds under the bed, marxists, immigrants, whatever ethnic minority is flavour of the month.  Unfortunately racism is still rife in western society and breeds on ignorance. The sad thing is that a lot of racists really don't realise they are racists. 

 

 

 

 

Michael,

 

This is a rare case where I agree with you 100%. 

 

Chuck

[JaniMarkus Hasa]

6 hours ago, dustydingo said:

 

Thankfully, and with respect of course (and I do mean that sincerely ), I'm glad that decisions are being made around the world based on the best epidemiological modelling, not your opinion.

 

DD

 

Well, like I said in the first place, that was just my two € cents. 

I guess I'm a bit more sceptical about political decision making, especially when it comes to President Trump. I have noticed that sometimes politicians seem to make decisions based on what's popular rather than what is scientifically reasonable. Do you really believe President Trump's ban on travel from most European countries but not from United Kingdom was based on some kind of epidemiological modelling? 

 

Anyways, it was my two cents,  but I'm not the only one with the opinion. Many experts including ones from World Health Organization seem to think the same; travel bans don't work. I trust them more than populist politicians.

 

Edited March 15, 2020 by JaniMarkus Hasa

[MDM]

4 minutes ago, Chuck Nacke said:

Michael,

 

This is a rare case where I agree with you 100%. 

 

Chuck

🤣 🤣🤣 As a wise man once said " I ain't always right but I've never been wrong" or words to that effect. 🤣🤣🤣

[meanderingemu]

1 minute ago, JaniMarkus Hasa said:

 

 

I guess I'm a bit more sceptical about political decision making, especially when it comes to President Trump. I have noticed that sometimes politicians seem to make decisions based on what's popular rather than what is scientifically reasonable. Do you really believe President Trump's ban on travel from most European countries but not from United Kingdom was based on some kind of epidemiological modelling? 

 

 

 

 

 

no i believe it was based on fact most people don't understand the difference between EU and Schengen zone.  I believe the policy maker made the rules on Schengen, Trump saw oh, No UK i'll make a point to that.  

 

or do you really think Trump had reasons to protect, Romania and Bulgaria, but felt Iceland not an EU country was a major risk?

 

 

(i will reserve my opinion on fact Ukraine doesn't seem to appear on bans) 

[dustydingo]

20 minutes ago, BobD said:

 

 

 "Herd immunity is not our policy, it's not our goal, our goal is to protect life.

"Of course there is a scientific debate around scientific concepts but I want to be absolutely crystal clear, we will do what is necessary.

 

Quote from the UK Health minister this morning.

 

It's always instructive when folk find the need to shout . . . anyhooo, you've just nicely illustrated what I've been saying re: the penny dropping for BJ that the original approach needed reassessment . . . the UK government is now . . . now . . . reassessing its original plan and madly backtracking from the original. Still, none so blind etc etc eh?

I rather like this quote from the UK health minister this morning, although it appears it might be a bit "socialist" for some: "People need to think about the impact on others of what they are doing".  So, self-interest not necessarily front and centre it appears . . .

 

DD

Edited March 15, 2020 by dustydingo
couple of grammatical typos :-)

[BobD]

2 minutes ago, dustydingo said:

 

It's always instructive when folk find the need to shout . . . but anyhooo, but you've just nicely illustrated what I've been saying re: the penny dropping for BJ that the original approach needed reassessment . . . the UK government is now . . . NOW . . . reassessing its original plan and madly backtracking from the original. None so blind etc etc.

I rather like this quote from the UK health minister this morning, although it appears it might be a bit "socialist" for some: "People need to think about the impact on others of what they are doing".  So, self-interest not necessarily front and centre it appears . . .

 

 

DD

 

 

I wasn't shouting that was the copy and paste text I quoted.

https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert?utm_source=health.gov.au&utm_medium=redirect&utm_campaign=digital_transformation&utm_content=health-topics/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov

 

 I cannot see here what the Australian government are doing that is so different to the UK. 

Perhaps you can enlighten us.

[JaniMarkus Hasa]

2 hours ago, NYCat said:

 

I'm sorry to hear about your niece and hope people will step up here and help.

 

 

The latest news is that some fellow student's aunt took her to stay for a time being. That's very kind thing to do. 

[dustydingo]

4 minutes ago, meanderingemu said:

 

 

no i believe it was based on fact most people don't understand the difference between EU and Schengen zone.  I believe the policy maker made the rules on Schengen, Trump saw oh, No UK i'll make a point to that.  

 

or do you really think Trump had reasons to protect, Romania and Bulgaria, but felt Iceland not an EU country was a major risk?

 

 

(i will reserve my opinion on fact Ukraine doesn't seem to appear on bans) 

 

Many suspect similar of the Australian gov (cynics all, line 'em up against the wall I say . . . 😉 )  . . placed self-isolation requirements on arrivals from many countries, but not the US . . . then to avoid having to single out the US, they then went and imposed requirements on all arrivals. Neat eh?  🙂

 

DD

[dustydingo]

10 minutes ago, BobD said:

 

 

I wasn't shouting that was the copy and paste text I quoted.

https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert?utm_source=health.gov.au&utm_medium=redirect&utm_campaign=digital_transformation&utm_content=health-topics/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov

 

 I cannot see here what the Australian government are doing that is so different to the UK. 

Perhaps you can enlighten us.

 

Oh, there are many differences still, and the information is but a keystroke away . . . so do your own research.

 

I do.

 

Sigh . . . I've weakened . . . how about "All people coming to Australia will be required, will be required I stress, to self isolate for 14 days". That's regardless of where you arrive from. All arrivals.

 

... and "the Australian government will also ban cruise ships from foreign ports from arriving at Australian ports"

 

DD

Edited March 15, 2020 by dustydingo

[BobD]

1 hour ago, dustydingo said:

 

Oh, there are many differences still, and the information is but a keystroke away . . . so do your own research.

 

I do.

 

DD

 

 I see, can't actually point to anything specific then. 

The link I gave is an Australian government website. Can't see any sign of a lockdown there.

Edited March 15, 2020 by BobD

[dustydingo]

7 minutes ago, BobD said:

 

 I see can't actually point to anything specific then. 

The link I gave is an Australian government website. Can't see any sign of a lockdown there.

 

"lockdown" . . . who mentioned lockdown? . . . sigh . . . anyhoooo, my last post actually has a couple of quotes you may find germane to this discussion.

 

DD

[M.Chapman]

3 hours ago, CarloBo said:

There is no scientific evidence that the virus will reappear.

 

According to this article it's happened before (see chart 20). Need to be very careful how and when restrictions are lifted.

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

 

Mark

Edited March 15, 2020 by M.Chapman

[dustydingo]

28 minutes ago, JaniMarkus Hasa said:

 

Well, like I said it the first place, that was just my two € cents. 

I guess I'm a bit more sceptical about political decision making, especially when it comes to President Trump. I have noticed that sometimes politicians seem to make decisions based on what's popular rather than what is scientifically reasonable. Do you really believe President Trump's ban on travel from most European countries but not from United Kingdom was based on some kind of epidemiological modelling? 

 

Anyways, it was my two cents,  but I'm not the only one with the opinion. Many experts including ones from World Health Organization seem to think the same; travel bans don't work. I trust them more than populist politicians.

 

 

. . . like I said, I trust epidemiological modelling . . . but like you, not politicians.

 

It appears to me again and again that politicians only consider anything that might have a negative effect on tourism etc when it's perhaps too late, like Italy. I do trust the message coming out of Italy though: hit it hard, because if you don't, it will hit you harder (for the pedants, I'm paraphrasing of course ). I also compare the situation in South Korea with say the US . . . different priorities, different initial reaction, very different situations at the moment . . . and both reported their first cases within days of each other I believe.

 

And DT? No, I agree with what I think you mean, and as others have speculated, I too believe he confused EU and Europe and the Schengen zone. Or not wanting to piss off his mate BJ 🙂

 

DD

[dustydingo]

1 minute ago, Sally R said:

I haven't followed all of this thread so not sure what the core issues are that are being debated, but as of midnight tonight anyone coming into Australia (where I am) has to self-isolate for 14 days. This includes my brother and his partner who had their flight delayed from Dubai, and so now will be affected by this. It is a good thing for the community as a whole as a precaution, just a bit limiting for them for 2 weeks, not being able to go to work etc. I'm in Western Australia and a state of emergency is being declared by the state government from midnight. The federal government is considering lockdowns but no decision has been announced regarding this yet https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-15/coronavirus-covid19-self-isolation-announced-for-australia/12057772 

 

I think the most important thing in all of this is we be kind to each other and keep ourselves as healthy as we can. Eat healthy, get good sleep and try to do some exercise (even if it means dancing in the lounge room if you are locked down, wherever you are). All of these things help our immunity. So take care everyone, be kind and maintain a sense of humour - it is good for your health! And if you are stuck at home, it could be an opportunity to work on some indoor still life images, or post-process images you've wanted to get around to doing but haven't had a chance up until now. Sometimes creative opportunities emerge out of limitations!

 

Yes.

 

I'm in Perth too, and work in a very COVID-19 sensitive industry with some very COVID-19 susceptible folk. I'm thankful that at least our State gov is right on the ball and being pretty open and frank and honest I think, and the Federal gov is finally hitting the metal after a bit of dilly-dallying this weekend in particular

 

DD

[BobD]

2 minutes ago, Sally R said:

I haven't followed all of this thread so not sure what the core issues are that are being debated, but as of midnight tonight anyone coming into Australia (where I am) has to self-isolate for 14 days. This includes my brother and his partner who had their flight delayed from Dubai, and so now will be affected by this. It is a good thing for the community as a whole as a precaution, just a bit limiting for them for 2 weeks, not being able to go to work etc. I'm in Western Australia and a state of emergency is being declared by the state government from midnight. The federal government is considering lockdowns but no decision has been announced regarding this yet https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-15/coronavirus-covid19-self-isolation-announced-for-australia/12057772 

 

I think the most important thing in all of this is we be kind to each other and keep ourselves as healthy as we can. Eat healthy, get good sleep and try to do some exercise (even if it means dancing in the lounge room if you are locked down, wherever you are). All of these things help our immunity. So take care everyone, be kind and maintain a sense of humour - it is good for your health! And if you are stuck at home, it could be an opportunity to work on some indoor still life images, or post-process images you've wanted to get around to doing but haven't had a chance up until now. Sometimes creative opportunities emerge out of limitations!

 

At last someone talking sense and a sensible reaction from the Australian government albeit difficult for those  entering the country.

Although I disagree with some here I haven't yet insulted anyone or denied they should have a different point of view to my own.

I do take exception to anyone taking my words and twisting them to suit their own narrative.

[meanderingemu]

2 minutes ago, Sally R said:

I haven't followed all of this thread so not sure what the core issues are that are being debated, but as of midnight tonight anyone coming into Australia (where I am) has to self-isolate for 14 days. This includes my brother and his partner who had their flight delayed from Dubai, and so now will be affected by this. It is a good thing for the community as a whole as a precaution, just a bit limiting for them for 2 weeks, not being able to go to work etc. I'm in Western Australia and a state of emergency is being declared by the state government from midnight. The federal government is considering lockdowns but no decision has been announced regarding this yet https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-15/coronavirus-covid19-self-isolation-announced-for-australia/12057772 

 

 

 

 

sorry, I understand the pain of Self Isolation, i'm on day 3, but i wish people wouldn't see the cut off date as a "yeah, i came in 5  minutes before I can do whatever".   If you are a risk to your surroundings, you should consider self isolation, or at least strong social distances.   This is the only way we will be able to flatten the curve....  

[meanderingemu]

Just now, Sally R said:

 

I agree with you. My brother and his partner were going to self-isolate anyway, but I was just pointing out that it is mandatory now.

 

sorry, wasn't specific at you, but your comment was leading to it.  I was seeing posts of people on FB yesterday doing "Last night out" diner parties in restaurant in Paris, and all i was thinking, is what do you think changes at midnight tonight?  

[dustydingo]

11 minutes ago, Sally R said:

Yes I feel kind of lucky being in Perth right now. I think we are one of the most isolated capital cities on Earth, which can help a bit when there's a pandemic. I hope the COVID-19 susceptible people you work with all do ok. All the best!

 

DD

[dustydingo]

10 minutes ago, meanderingemu said:

 

sorry, wasn't specific at you, but your comment was leading to it.  I was seeing posts of people on FB yesterday doing "Last night out" diner parties in restaurant in Paris, and all i was thinking, is what do you think changes at midnight tonight?  

 

We had the ignominious spectacle a couple of days ago of our Prime Minister (aka "Scotty from Marketing"), after announcing that events with crowds of 500 or more would be banned beginning Monday, stating proudly that he was going to the football (rugby league to be exact) along with thousands of others on Sunday, the day before the ban . . . wiser heads intervened and he eventually changed his mind, but still didn't have the cojones to admit he was not really providing much of an example of support for the thinking behind the just announced ban.

 

So not just folk in Paris I'm afraid.

 

DD

[dustydingo]

33 minutes ago, Sally R said:

Yes I feel kind of lucky being in Perth right now. I think we are one of the most isolated capital cities on Earth, which can help a bit when there's a pandemic. I hope the COVID-19 susceptible people you work with all do ok. All the best!

 

If that was for me, thank you 🙂

 

A deviation . . . it's nice seeing a portfolio that includes a number of shots of the Swan, but has no shots of the bloody blue boat shed in Crawley 🙂 🙂 🙂

 

cheers,

DD

Edited March 15, 2020 by dustydingo

[MDM]

 

1 hour ago, BobD said:

 

Typical response of a socialist. Cant abide anyone with a different viewpoint to their own so resort to insults and trying to shout down anyone with different views.

I am not intimidated by your insults and will respect your point of view.

This shows why there cannot be any sensible debate anymore. 

 

You talkin to me? Calling me a socialist? 🤣. If I was to pin myself anywhere on the political spectrum and that would be difficult, as it is a two dimensional construct, but I would be a little left of centre I guess. Educated left-leaning liberal perhaps but I would be an absolute hypocrite to call myself a socialist. However,  I do believe that governments should look after the basic needs of their citizens: basic housing, basic survival needs and healthcare at a minimum. 

 

I think if this entire converstation was to be judged by an independent and reasonably intelligent arbitrator, they would find that my statements are based on rationality and yours are based more on soundbites from the media and from your preferred politicians that you have managed to incorporate into your thinking and are happy to regurgitate as your own opinions. Marxists and anarchists praying for the collapse of the worlds economy (sic) indeed.

 

Since you were addressing that at me, I would like to clarify that I have not shouted at anyone here and I have simply argued my case that the UK government is wrong in its approach to managing Covid-19 in the population. My argument at its simplest is to follow WHO guidelines

 

Finally I don't expect to convince you of anything and this conversation is fundamentally futile. 

[BobD]

4 minutes ago, MDM said:

 

 

You talkin to me? Calling me a socialist? 🤣. If I was to pin myself anywhere on the political spectrum and that would be difficult, as it is a two dimensional construct, but I would be a little left of centre I guess. Educated left-leaning liberal perhaps but I would be an absolute hypocrite to call myself a socialist. However,  I do believe that governments should look after the basic needs of their citizens: basic housing, basic survival needs and healthcare at a minimum. 

 

I think if this entire converstation was to be judged by an independent and reasonably intelligent arbitrator, they would find that my statements are based on rationality and yours are based more on soundbites from the media and from your preferred politicians that you have managed to incorporate into your thinking and are happy to regurgitate as your own opinions. Marxists and anarchists praying for the collapse of the worlds economy (sic) indeed.

 

Since you were addressing that at me, I would like to clarify that I have not shouted at anyone here and I have simply argued my case that the UK government is wrong in its approach to managing Covid-19 in the population. My argument at its simplest is to follow WHO guidelines

 

Finally I don't expect to convince you of anything and this conversation is fundamentally futile. 

 

Once again rather than just put your point of view you resort to insults and insinuate that anyone who does not share your opinion is uneducated.

[MDM]

9 minutes ago, BobD said:

 

Once again rather than just put your point of view you resort to insults and insinuate that anyone who does not share your opinion is uneducated.

 

Incredible. Your ability to read between lines is truly incredible. I have no idea about your educational status and made no insinuations whatsoever about anybody's level of education. Perhaps you are thinking back to a long deleted post about the demographics of the 2016 referendum (let's avoid that) but I have never made any statements here about the demographics of those who support the government's approach ( a minority if not a tiny minority).  I was simply defending myself against the statements you made in the previous post. If you are insulted by anything I said, then perhaps you should read over your previous posts and think about what you have been saying. Anyway time to get on with the rest of my life. It might be shorter than I would wish. 

[BobD]

3 minutes ago, MDM said:

 

Incredible. Your ability to read between lines is truly incredible. I have no idea about your educational status and made no insinuations whatsoever about anybody's level of education. Perhaps you are thinking back to a long deleted post about the demographics of the 2016 referendum (let's avoid that) but I have never made any statements here about the demographics of those who support the government's approach ( a minority if not a tiny minority).  I was simply defending myself against the statements you made in the previous post. If you are insulted by anything I said, then perhaps you should read over your previous posts and think about what you have been saying. Anyway time to get on with the rest of my life. It might be shorter than I would wish. 

 

In spite of our disagreements I wish you well and say no more.

[MDM]

Just now, BobD said:

 

In spite of our disagreements I wish you well and say no more.

 

That is fine. I wish you well too.