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Since some months, I see a clear price decrease of the images. Do you see any reason ( even a slight one) to hope this tendency will be reversed ? Myself, I think there will be no turning back.

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Of course there's hope, bit of a silly post.  Many contribs are achieving $$$ sales regularly, be positive!

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45 minutes ago, Colblimp said:

Of course there's hope, bit of a silly post.  Many contribs are achieving $$$ sales regularly, be positive!

 

Asking about the future of stock photography to stock contributors is a silly question !? Hard to understand...After all, if the question is silly, DON'T ANSWER unless you are silly yourself.

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Average fee per licence this year has gone up for me by  over 50% from last year.

 

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25 minutes ago, ernest said:

 

 

Asking about the future of stock photography to stock contributors is a silly question !? Hard to understand...After all, if the question is silly, DON'T ANSWER unless you are silly yourself.

Steady on.  Colblimp is a respected contributor and has sale levels that most of us would give our right arm for. (Metaphorically speaking) hardly silly.  

 

Stock photography is, in economic terms, an imperfect but highly competitive market.  To answer your question would require a full Market analysis and the public market data is simply not available to carry out such an analysis.  As I have noted before I suspect that the 80/20 rule applies and that 80% of Alamy revenues comes from and goes to 20% of contributors.  

 

There is some work (not particularly quantitive)  that indicates a potential trend for increased image usage but against that is the well documented massive increase in supply  such that some may consider the market to have a trend towards saturation   The image market is highly segmented and if the correct niche can be identified temporary monopolies may exist, but not for any length of time and with high elasticity of supply..

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3 hours ago, Inchiquin said:

Average fee per licence this year has gone up for me by  over 50% from last year.

 

Alan

 

Average price per license has been holding steady for me since 2017:

 

2017 -- $49

2018 -- $48

2019 -- $48 so far

 

P.S. What I'm finding is that even with the lower prices I'm still getting enough high $$ and $$$ sales to keep the average price up. Hopefully this trend will continue.

 

 

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Going back to 2015, I am finding the prices sliding south, but the volume of sales have gone up a bit to help keep the income steady.

 

Average price per license (gross) 

 

2015 -- $64

2016 -- $66

2017 -- $57

2018 -- $57

2019 -- $48 so far

 

And to put things in perspective, the overall average price per license since I started with Alamy in 2005 is $85

In 2007 (the first year with significant sales) the average for me was $163 per license.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Michael Ventura said:

Going back to 2015, I am finding the prices sliding south, but the volume of sales have gone up a bit to help keep the income steady.

 

Average price per license (gross) 

 

2015 -- $64

2016 -- $66

2017 -- $57

2018 -- $57

2019 -- $48 so far

 

And to put things in perspective, the overall average price per license since I started with Alamy in 2005 is $85

In 2007 (the first year with significant sales) the average for me was $163 per license.

 

 

 

Interesting. My average price in 2016 was $58, now it's $48 like yours. It was $89 back in 2014 and $124 way back in 2009. 🤨

 

Any reason to hope? No hope that prices will go back up to those of the "good old days" IMO. But there is hope that sales volume will eventually increase to help make up for lower prices now that Alamy can offer a lot of its images as "exclusive". Hope is a double-edged sword, though.

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7 hours ago, ernest said:

 

 

Asking about the future of stock photography to stock contributors is a silly question !? Hard to understand...After all, if the question is silly, DON'T ANSWER unless you are silly yourself.

 

It was never a silly question and to be honest the problem with certain contributors reporting $$$ sales is it always seems to be the

same contributors getting $$$ sales.

 

I've seen the gross amounts slide and its pretty obvious the 20% cut in royalties that took place earlier this year was to maintain Alamy's margins whilst ours take a hit

 

The numbers of sub $5 sales I have had this year is depressing :(

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For me I see prices and sales falling and as well as more and more uncleared tiny sales, mainly from China.

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10 hours ago, David Pimborough said:

 

It was never a silly question and to be honest the problem with certain contributors reporting $$$ sales is it always seems to be the

same contributors getting $$$ sales.

 

So why is it a problem that according to you it "always seems to be the same contributors getting $$$ sales"?

 

DD

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2017 -- $32

2018 -- $28

2019 -- $22 so far

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14 hours ago, dustydingo said:

 

So why is it a problem that according to you it "always seems to be the same contributors getting $$$ sales"?

 

DD

 

Not according to me Sheldon just according to the monthly "How was your April, May, June July etc" threads.

 

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On 11/05/2019 at 14:00, ernest said:

Since some months, I see a clear price decrease of the images. Do you see any reason ( even a slight one) to hope this tendency will be reversed ? Myself, I think there will be no turning back.

Nope: currently c52% of last year's sales, but c30% of the cash.

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On 11/05/2019 at 14:00, ernest said:

Since some months, I see a clear price decrease of the images. Do you see any reason ( even a slight one) to hope this tendency will be reversed ? Myself, I think there will be no turning back.

Some years ago I thought we may reach a point where worsening prices and total revenues earned would drastically reduce supply of new images thus supporting prices. If it was no longer cost effective to produce stock then many would stop. This hasn't happened to a significant level. Too many hobbyists who ignore financial costs and happy to give their time for free or pros who have already discounted costs as part of other work. 

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11 hours ago, David Pimborough said:

 

Not according to me Sheldon just according to the monthly "How was your April, May, June July etc" threads.

 

 

Be that as it may, the thrust of my question remains unanswered: why is it a problem that it always seems to be the same contributors getting $$$ sales?

 

DD

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There's not much you can do about the economic forces that drive prices. Hoping for a change upwards may help but I'm going to try and build a bigger more diverse portfolio while I'm waiting.

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On 12/05/2019 at 08:41, Marb said:

 mainly from China.

Interesting, I've never had a sale to China.

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2009 - $109

2010 - $88

2011 - $73

2012 - $52

2015 - $27

2016 - $30

2017 - $26

2018 - $27

2019 - $17

I had hoped that 2017-2018 saw the bottoming out of the market, but that was rather optimistic. It seems to me that Alamy are using the extra gained from the non exclusive  sales to cut prices even further.

Sadly it is no longer worth my time and effort to upload more images.

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, spacecadet said:

Interesting, I've never had a sale to China.

 

I get very few, only one last year (a travel image) for about $30. I imagine that micro-shopping is very popular in China.

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Some earlier lists of averages in these topics:

https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/3924-sales-prices-comparison/

https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/7625-big-editorial-sales/

(There have been more.)

 

2005 - $195
2006 - $179
2007 - $425
2008 - $136
2009 - $124
2010 - $ 68
2011 - $ 80
2012 - $ 65
2013 - $ 68
2014 - $ 55
2015 - $ 59
2016 - $ 48
2017 - $ 46
2018 - $ 44
2019 - $ 40.3 - so far.

- all gross.

Nothing wrong with falling averages if the total keeps getting higher. Which sadly for me has not always been the case: 2016 was my best year; 2017 a bit lower; 2018 slightly higher again.

Year total figures are in the various how was your year threads.

 

wim

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5 minutes ago, wiskerke said:

Some earlier lists of averages in these topics:

https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/3924-sales-prices-comparison/

https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/7625-big-editorial-sales/

(There have been more.)

 

2005 - $195
2006 - $179
2007 - $425
2008 - $136
2009 - $124
2010 - $ 68
2011 - $ 80
2012 - $ 65
2013 - $ 68
2014 - $ 55
2015 - $ 59
2016 - $ 48
2017 - $ 46
2018 - $ 44
2019 - $ 40.3 - so far.

- all gross.

Nothing wrong with falling averages if the total keeps getting higher. Which sadly for me has not always been the case: 2016 was my best year; 2017 a bit lower; 2018 slightly higher again.

Year total figures are in the various how was your year threads.

 

wim

 

If I draw lines of best fit (to compensate for ups and downs) on my sales and revenue graphs, the trend has been upward for yearly sales numbers and downward  for yearly income since 2012 -- i.e. overall the two graphs are heading in opposite directions. Only a big increase in sales numbers could even things out.

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2009  $360 - but only 2 sales!

2010  $143

2011  $86

2012  $42

2013  $56

2014  $33

2015  $34

2016  $30

2017 $33

2018  $31

2019 $29

 

Can't recall when I joined the Newspaper scheme, that probably boosted sales but significantly reduced average value.

 

Downward trend. 2017 best year for revenue.

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I am in all schemes and distributors, but just do not have a lot of sales to UK newspapers and their websites. Lack of appropriate content probably.

(Not sure if the opposite is a possible solution: stop making newspaper content and start making images with higher production value.)

My guess is that some of those bulk deals really drive the average down. And bulk deals on distributors doubly so. However those sales can be viewed as extra. Cherries on cake, albeit very small cherries. Remember they do help improving rank.

 

wim

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