Reimar Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) It happened. I've had low sales but this is a record. It's even RM. Hopefully not a sign of things to come. I've got enough of these at that other place: Country: Worldwide ; Usage: Editorial ; Media: Editorial website ; Start: 17-February-2021 ; End: 17-November-2021 ; Additional Details: Single use across website and/or digital publication such as E-book or PDF, any size, any placement, in perpetuity. How much you ask? $0.25 and $0.10 to me. Edited February 17, 2021 by Reimar 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geogphotos Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, Reimar said: It happened. I've had low sales but this is a record. It's even RM. Hopefully not a sign of things to come. I've got enough of these at that other place: Country: Worldwide ; Usage: Editorial ; Media: Editorial website ; Start: 17-February-2021 ; End: 17-November-2021 ; Additional Details: Single use across website and/or digital publication such as E-book or PDF, any size, any placement, in perpetuity. How much you ask? $0.25 and $0.10 to me. The impact of micro stock. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gina Kelly Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 I had one of those recently - it stung. Sorry it's happened to you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderingemu Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 i think the new low is actually @Alamy still not addressing these, after multiple requests for clarification on the Forum. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reimar Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 Wow. Another identical $0.10 RM sale just popped in for another image. Now I'm starting to feel picked on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Colblimp Posted February 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2021 This is appalling and not acceptable. I think an explanation from @Alamy as to how it arrived at that pricing is in order. 😡 4 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geogphotos Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Reimar said: Wow. Another identical $0.10 RM sale just popped in for another image. Now I'm starting to feel picked on. Micro stock works on volume. Celebrate.🤪 Edited February 17, 2021 by geogphotos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 56 minutes ago, Reimar said: Wow. Another identical $0.10 RM sale just popped in for another image. Now I'm starting to feel picked on. Are they both similar subject matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reimar Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 41 minutes ago, John Mitchell said: Are they both similar subject matter? Yes. Shots from Puerto Vallarta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, Reimar said: Yes. Shots from Puerto Vallarta. Probably a travel website then. Any luck tracking them down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reimar Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 Just now, John Mitchell said: Probably a travel website then. Any luck tracking them down? I've never had much luck tracking my images and for a dime each I won't be bothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 14 minutes ago, Reimar said: I've never had much luck tracking my images and for a dime each I won't be bothered. Don't blame you. It would be interesting to know who the culprit is, though. At least you had a nice trip to sunny PV. 🏖️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geogphotos Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) Quite likely part of a slide show embedded in a webpage travel report. Nobody is paying to visit that website, everybody wants to see pictures. There are plenty of competitors offering the same sort of images at very low fees. It is not hard to imagine that client contacting Alamy saying that they are ready to buy but want the same prices as they are paying elsewhere. Unfortunately it is where we are. Edited February 17, 2021 by geogphotos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gina Kelly Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Interesting! My 10 cent sale was also a pic of Puerto Vallarta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losdemas Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Reimar said: It happened. I've had low sales but this is a record. It's even RM. Hopefully not a sign of things to come. I've got enough of these at that other place: Country: Worldwide ; Usage: Editorial ; Media: Editorial website ; Start: 17-February-2021 ; End: 17-November-2021 ; Additional Details: Single use across website and/or digital publication such as E-book or PDF, any size, any placement, in perpetuity. How much you ask? $0.25 and $0.10 to me. I'm a little confused as to why you have received two red arrows for this. Someone wanting to shoot the messenger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickfly Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, losdemas said: I'm a little confused as to why you have received two red arrows for this. Someone wanting to shoot the messenger? I was looking for an angry emoji, could't find one so clicked the sad one... the red might have been a sign of anger at the situation, not the poster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reimar Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, losdemas said: I'm a little confused as to why you have received two red arrows for this. Someone wanting to shoot the messenger? I was thinking the same, but optimistically assumed the red arrows were in support of my negative experience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reimar Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, David Pimborough said: I smell the scent of "exciting news" coming on the breeze 😕 You mean like a "new earning opportunity"? Right. Let's hope we get spared that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaniMarkus Hasa Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 I think Alamy really need to think what's their competitive advantage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losdemas Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, mickfly said: I was looking for an angry emoji, could't find one so clicked the sad one... the red might have been a sign of anger at the situation, not the poster. 6 hours ago, Reimar said: I was thinking the same, but optimistically assumed the red arrows were in support of my negative experience. You're probably right - I hope so. My glass is always half empty - but at least that means that I never run out of wine (I know that it's going to be half empty, so I always have a spare bottle)! 😉😂 Edited February 18, 2021 by losdemas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthera tigris Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Interesting. If Alamy accept thats the value in certain situations you can correctly or incorrectly assume that their value assessment is based on quantities. Could it become a new regular thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alamy Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Hi All This is a license via our novel use scheme, an optional scheme which falls outside of our normal licensing. The images in the novel use pool give our sales team the freedom to explore different schemes and trials, with a variety of price points and licenses. These include, but are not limited to trials with new customers, prototypes/proof of concept, and high volume low unit price licences. If you decide you don’t want to be part of the Novel Use Scheme anymore you can opt out every April by following the ‘Novel use’ link under Additional Revenue Options on your contributor dashboard. Thanks, Alamy 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ventura Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 I never opted in, thank goodness. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderingemu Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Alamy said: Hi All This is a license via our novel use scheme, an optional scheme which falls outside of our normal licensing. The images in the novel use pool give our sales team the freedom to explore different schemes and trials, with a variety of price points and licenses. These include, but are not limited to trials with new customers, prototypes/proof of concept, and high volume low unit price licences. If you decide you don’t want to be part of the Novel Use Scheme anymore you can opt out every April by following the ‘Novel use’ link under Additional Revenue Options on your contributor dashboard. Thanks, Alamy does the licencing specify what the novel use was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geogphotos Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 James West, former Alamy CEO back in 2008. Odd to reflect on how much Getty has changed since then. Much of what James said back then is still relevant for Alamy AND there is an opt out. Also how Alamy's average editorial fee has plummeted - but we all know that. "Recently, Alamy's blog has been filled with negative comments relative to Alamy's Novel Use Scheme introduced last month. Alamy's CEO James West recently told the British Journal of Photography, "People are saying that we introduced microstock but gave it another name. My definition of microstock is royalty-free images at a low price. Â ... These users would never have the money to spend on more expensive images. We chose 60p because it represents one dollar in the U.S." The concept of selling pictures for low prices is difficult for traditional stock photographers to accept, particularly because an increasing number of their customers are using microstock images for commercial projects. The fees microstock charges for such uses range from 1/10th to 1/50th and less of the fees normally charged to use an RM image. Clearly, there are market realities photographers selling into the traditional market must accept. 1. The number of images needed by the traditional print market is declining, for reasons that have nothing to do with microstock. Â To a large extent, the decline is occurring simply because the Internet exists, and former print customers are finding more ways to use digital instead of print. 2. The number of images available for a declining number of customers to choose from is growing at a rapid pace. There is no way to stop growth. This, coupled with the decline in demand, reduces the odds that any image, no matter how high the quality, will be licensed for a print project. 3. Â Looking ahead, it appears likely that more ways will be found to use digital and the Internet for communication and marketing and that there will be a continuing decline in the need for print. The only solution for photographers is to make every effort to find new markets, while protect their existing market, given the limits of microstock sellers. The problem with microstock is that it sells images for textbooks, magazines, brochures, print ads and billboards for these same low prices. Alamy's low prices are only for blogs, social networking sites and certain educational uses. All other uses are still priced at Alamy's regular prices. The good news is that there are new markets out there. There are huge volumes of customers who want pictures, but they can't afford to pay much. This is much more a "consumer market" than a commercial one, but this consumer market may have the potential to be even larger, in actual dollars spent, than the existing commercial one. Some of these new markets will not develop into anything. Some will take much longer to develop than others. Photographers cannot ignore new ideas and new markets. Let's get back to Novel Use. It is designed to protect existing commercial markets, while exploring new consumer ones to see if they can add significant revenue on top of the commercial revenue already coming in. It won't be easy because Alamy will be reaching out to a new customer base. The micropayment sites already have a tremendous lead in this category. But the micropayment sites have also proved that there is a growing consumer base who will only buy images at very low prices. Consider that iStockphoto sold 17,550,000 images in 2007, while GettyImages sold 500,000. And iStock's customer base is growing rapidly; Getty's is declining. The average sale price of an iStock image was $4.10. Thirty-five times that number would be $143.50, not equivalent to Getty's average price of $500 per sale, but climbing. Alamy's average price for an editorial use last quarter was $126.00." 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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