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53 minutes ago, geogphotos said:

I don't really see the need to be posting comments about how much we appreciate Alamy. It is self-evident that we wouldn't be here if that wasn't the case. But going on from that basis it is perfectly legitimate for contributors to raise problems, make comments even if not always totally positive, make suggestions, express disappointment, take the Mickey a little, have a laugh, and so on. 

 

Of course it is difficult when everybody is at home trying to make a really great video - and personally I don't care less about the production quality etc. I could hear what was being said - it seemed more a case of what was being read out actually - and it is always interesting to hear from Alamy. But since there was a preparatory  thread on what contributors wanted covered, and that received lots of comments and suggestions, I think it is fair to say purely and simply that the presentation was short on detail.

 

And not all of this lack of detail is about the future, there is a lot of uncertainty about the current system and operation that could and should be clarified, it was asked for, but didn't happen. The information given was fairly general and non-specific. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate Alamy and think it is the best thing since sliced bread. 

 

 

this i agree, however i still can't believe people still care what people wear in 2020- i guess i have worked in enough corporation where the fancier the suit, to higher the incompetence, and background, and production. 

I want that money to be spent on solving the Database problem, not on fancy decor, things that affect My revenue. 

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1 hour ago, geogphotos said:

I don't really see the need to be posting comments about how much we appreciate Alamy. It is self-evident that we wouldn't be here if that wasn't the case. But going on from that basis it is perfectly legitimate for contributors to raise problems, make comments even if not always totally positive, make suggestions, express disappointment, take the Mickey a little, have a laugh, and so on. 

 

Of course it is difficult when everybody is at home trying to make a really great video - and personally I don't care less about the production quality etc. I could hear what was being said - it seemed more a case of what was being read out actually - and it is always interesting to hear from Alamy. But since there was a preparatory  thread on what contributors wanted covered, and that received lots of comments and suggestions, I think it is fair to say purely and simply that the presentation was short on detail.

 

And not all of this lack of detail is about the future, there is a lot of uncertainty about the current system and operation that could and should be clarified, it was asked for, but didn't happen. The information given was fairly general and non-specific. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate Alamy and think it is the best thing since sliced bread. 

 

Maybe there were so many questions about everything that it was not possible to figure out what was going to happen with a lot of them that they decided to go with what they had by the time of making the video so that we at least had something going forward into the holiday period. This would give the contributors some idea what was happening with some of the changes that they have in the pipeline and give them breathing space to continue with the answers to the majority of the contributors queries and suggestions. At that time we hope there will be a more explicit video covering a wider range.

 

Just my thoughts.

 

Allan

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, John Morrison said:

 

Steady on...

 

Why not a "Start of Year" video near the end of January.

 

Allan

 

Hell it is getting difficult to see the keyboard. Better put the light on.

 

ITMA

 

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Just now, Allan Bell said:

 

Why not a "Start of Year" video near the end of January.

 

Allan

 

Hell it is getting difficult to see the keyboard. Better put the light on.

 

ITMA

 

 

CLICK!  THAT's better.

 

Me again.

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Despite the not best realized video (composition, audio, background sounds, etc.), I appreciate Alamy’s effort. I understand it has hard to get down to details in every questions arrised in the open post for it. Maybe regular videos of particular issues could be done in the future. Contributors would appreciate it a lot, for sure!

Some good news to hear: infringements team (that is essential!), looking for costumers outside UK, better costumers experience with the search page and the video.
Bad news: the possibility of commiting clients by susbcription schemes. Very disturbing.

Thank you Alamy. Hope next year will be better for all of us.
Merry Christmas!

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5 minutes ago, shearwater said:

Despite the not best realized video (composition, audio, background sounds, etc.), I appreciate Alamy’s effort. I understand it has hard to get down to details in every questions arrised in the open post for it. Maybe regular videos of particular issues could be done in the future. Contributors would appreciate it a lot, for sure!

Some good news to hear: infringements team (that is essential!), looking for costumers outside UK, better costumers experience with the search page and the video.
Bad news: the possibility of commiting clients by susbcription schemes. Very disturbing.

Thank you Alamy. Hope next year will be better for all of us.
Merry Christmas!

 

bad news for me is that they use quantity as a key indicator.   always thought Alamy was about quality. 

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5 minutes ago, meanderingemu said:

 

bad news for me is that they use quantity as a key indicator.   always thought Alamy was about quality. 

Sure it is too. I would prefer 100 good ones...than 300 not so good, duplicated and/or badly keyworded. Clients experience and response should improve a lot.

Quality please...good clients would pay happily more for it!

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4 hours ago, geogphotos said:

It is good news about chasing infringements. Unreported legitimate uses is also a big problem - where the client or distributor just doesn't report the sale but Alamy has a download record/knows about it. It shouldn't be necessary for the contributor to track these down and report them six months or more after publication. And how many do we miss and they never get reported and paid?

 

My current example is a online magazine in Spain in April which I found, reported to Alamy who told me they would seek payment, and as yet nothing. Part of the problem is that the actual value of these sales is so low that chasing them is a disproportionate expense. I only know about it because somebody kindly reported it on the forum.

I share your comments and feelings, Ian. Specifically with distributors delaying, misreporting or even not reporting sales. As you can see in “Have you found…” post I have been tracking Alamy’s images uses in some spanish online media clients almost all this year. 
I have found that (in my case) sales are not reported within the four months awaiting period, some were misreported, etc…and had to warn Alamy about it. And all that we missed…
Hope the infrigements team wiil deal with all this issues promptly and fast because, as you say, Alamy knows when a distributor has made a download.
As your example, I0m still waiting for one german distributor (book published in may) and three spanish distributor uses (from june, and july). Next week expires the 4 month period for reporting another spanish use. What if I didn’t report to Alamy?

 

By the way…you have got another spanish (sorry) use reported in the forum ;)

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31 minutes ago, shearwater said:

 

 

By the way…you have got another spanish (sorry) use reported in the forum ;)

 

Thanks for that. 

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3 hours ago, Chuck Nacke said:

Happy Holidays to you as well Ed,

 

I agree with "I trust Alamy based on how they've treated me in the past."  

 

Both of us have worked with more than a few agencies, libraries etc. in the

past.  I just ended a 30+ year relationship with a group that you know well, but

I'm still with Alamy.

 

Chuck

We already KNOW that, Chuck.

As I said it a few times before,  your posts are ALWAYS about ME, ME, ME, ME, ME (and I mean YOU YOU YOU )

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Growth…

 

More images…

OK, so what?

Does any client really need more than 105 000 images of the Eiffel tower?

Do we really think a client will search through almost 2 millions of images of "heart" to get the right one?

 

More clients…

OK, so what?

As far as I can see, even with almost twice as many sales as in 2015, my revenue remains lower due to the fact that my average price per sale has lowered by more than 50% in only 5 years… Not even wanting to think about the prices when I started selling pictures here in 2008, with an average price per sale 5 times higher than this year. My last 3 digits sale was in early April, not a single one since then.

 

So OK, the collection is growing, as is the number of clients… Good news everybody.

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5 hours ago, geogphotos said:

It is good news about chasing infringements. Unreported legitimate uses is also a big problem - where the client or distributor just doesn't report the sale but Alamy has a download record/knows about it. It shouldn't be necessary for the contributor to track these down and report them six months or more after publication. And how many do we miss and they never get reported and paid?

It would help if Alamy told us which images had been downloaded, then we could focus our search activities. (Although, with an automated reverse image search tool, it might not be too hard for Alamy to do this).

 

Mark

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I read the first page of comments here before watching the video and was happily surprised and encouraged when I watched it. Thanks Alamy!

 

They covered a lot of the questions asked and seem to be focused on two very important concerns, image size and infringements. I was also pleased to know that PA Media photographers aren't getting a leg up on the rest of us.  

 

It also sounds like they've grown their business in this nightmare year. Unfortunately, with ever more photographers, our share of the pie as contributors is likely to keep shrinking,  a problem with any crowdsourced model. It's why stock contributors seem to hit a plateau even as agencies continue to grow their business. The only way around this is to shoot better than average photos and keyword well but even that may not be enough since even a large portfolio becomes an ever smaller percentage of a mind-bogglingly large pie. Did Emily say 45 million more images were added this year? Even as demand grows, it's not growing that fast. I hope their marketing can grab a greater share of that demand.

 

I'm encouraged about things that will help individual contributors get more, such as size limits to prevent people paying for presentation sales when they are using a full size image for something else and following up on infringements, are in the works. I wasn't expecting them to reinvent the wheel and what I heard all seemed positive, actually better than I expected. 

 

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to you all. Let's look forward to a much better 2021. 

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2 minutes ago, Marianne said:

I read the first page of comments here before watching the video and was happily surprised and encouraged when I watched it. Thanks Alamy!

 

They covered a lot of the questions asked and seem to be focused on two very important concerns, image size and infringements. I was also pleased to know that PA Media photographers aren't getting a leg up on the rest of us.  

 

It also sounds like they've grown their business in this nightmare year. Unfortunately, with ever more photographers, our share of the pie as contributors is likely to keep shrinking,  a problem with any crowdsourced model. It's why stock contributors seem to hit a plateau even as agencies continue to grow their business. The only way around this is to shoot better than average photos and keyword well but even that may not be enough since even a large portfolio becomes an ever smaller percentage of a mind-bogglingly large pie. Did Emily say 45 million more images were added this year? Even as demand grows, it's not growing that fast. I hope their marketing can grab a greater share of that demand.

 

I'm encouraged about things that will help individual contributors get more, such as size limits to prevent people paying for presentation sales when they are using a full size image for something else and following up on infringements, are in the works. I wasn't expecting them to reinvent the wheel and what I heard all seemed positive, actually better than I expected. 

 

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to you all. Let's look forward to a much better 2021. 

 

 

not disagreeing, but image growth probably had little to do with Alamy, I know the action of a certain MS agency pushed people to upload here, without even consideration if it was a good fit.  I would be happier if they announced the images had gone down because they removed images that didn't meet market needs.  I for one would be happy to remove one of my image if they told me it had been viewed 500 times without a zoom nor a sale. 

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1 hour ago, Olivier Parent said:

Growth…

 

More images…

OK, so what?

Does any client really need more than 105 000 images of the Eiffel tower?

Do we really think a client will search through almost 2 millions of images of "heart" to get the right one?

 

More clients…

OK, so what?

As far as I can see, even with almost twice as many sales as in 2015, my revenue remains lower due to the fact that my average price per sale has lowered by more than 50% in only 5 years… Not even wanting to think about the prices when I started selling pictures here in 2008, with an average price per sale 5 times higher than this year. My last 3 digits sale was in early April, not a single one since then.

 

So OK, the collection is growing, as is the number of clients… Good news everybody.

 

You're spot on with most of your points, Olivier. But can we really blame Alamy for low prices in digital stock?

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3 hours ago, M.Chapman said:

It would help if Alamy told us which images had been downloaded, then we could focus our search activities. (Although, with an automated reverse image search tool, it might not be too hard for Alamy to do this).

 

Mark

It doesn't help that many uses are in physical formats and therefore unsearchable, other than through subscription sites like Pressreader... Online usage tends to be behind paywalls which search engines can't index.

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22 hours ago, Shergar said:

I understood exactly what you meant Regis.

 

David Bailey is a English photographer who has dyspraxia. ... made to feel stupid due to his clumsiness and his problems with spelling and writing.

Thank you Shergar.

I didn't know that David Bailey has dyspraxia.

I have loved his work since I came across it in the early 80s, and he was already a very famous photographer by then, with an already great career.

 

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3 hours ago, Ed Rooney said:

 

You're spot on with most of your points, Olivier. But can we really blame Alamy for low prices in digital stock?

 

I do not blame Alamy in any way. I would have liked another perspective than just an ever growing collection with ever lowering prices, that's all.

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13 minutes ago, Olivier Parent said:

 

I do not blame Alamy in any way. I would have liked another perspective than just an ever growing collection with ever lowering prices, that's all.

 

I don't blame Alamy either. They are doing their best in a very tough environment. There are many factors that have caused the drop in prices. However, I agree that it would be nice to hear some discussion around this topic by the Alamy sales team. Hopefully that will happen at some point. 

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7 hours ago, meanderingemu said:

bad news for me is that they use quantity as a key indicator.   always thought Alamy was about quality. 

 

If someone is searching for guppy fry, the next best thing isn't a perfect photo of a happy family having a picnic.

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6 hours ago, Ognyan Yosifov said:

We already KNOW that, Chuck.

As I said it a few times before,  your posts are ALWAYS about ME, ME, ME, ME, ME (and I mean YOU YOU YOU )

You are not very bright (just my opinion) and I am offended by your post.

 

If you could read in English and had an IQ above your shoe size, I assume that you

have very small feet and hands... you would understand that the reason that I write

about me is because I do not speak for all and only from my own experience.

 

P.S. the first and second sentences above are about YOU YOU YOU.

 

Chuck

 

 

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1 hour ago, Olivier Parent said:

 

I do not blame Alamy in any way. I would have liked another perspective than just an ever growing collection with ever lowering prices, that's all.

My odd ball rare things that didn't have a thousand to 40,000 other examples in Alamy's stock brought more than anything else.   Rarer, the more money.

 

The rare things may not be searched often, but when someone is looking for precisely one thing, having it available doesn't lower prices if Alamy has it and other agencies don't.

 

And I've never licensed a picture of a cat.

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20 hours ago, RyanU said:

It doesn't help that many uses are in physical formats and therefore unsearchable, other than through subscription sites like Pressreader... Online usage tends to be behind paywalls which search engines can't index.

 

Indeed, but Google books reveals some physical uses, and there are other infringment services that can look behind paywalls. (e.g. ImageRights, Pixsy and Copytrack). It would be helpful to know where searches should be focussed. At the moment my searches are confined to finding usages of sold images (largely to support my DACS claims). I used to search for zoomed images usage, but that was largely a waste of time. But, if I also knew which images had been downloaded, it would be useful.

 

Mark

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