Ace Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 The bit I'm confused with... Is for the exact same usage, ie editorial/online/worldwide etc can sell to one organisation for say $2 and to another organisation for $40 For the exact same usage. I am assuming therefore that the sale price is determined by the size of the package a company buys from Alamy ? If so that's one massive discount from buyer a) to buyer b) surely ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geogphotos Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 39 minutes ago, Cryptoprocta said: Again, proof (as if proof was needed when Alamy has officially confirmed it) that price has nothing to do with the quality of the image, but only the discount of the buyer. The fee depends on the usage and the deal that the client has not on a subjective assessment of 'quality'. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celluloid Hero Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 45 minutes ago, geogphotos said: The fee depends on the usage and the deal that the client has not on a subjective assessment of 'quality'. From what I have read here, pay 17 cents and you can use the image for pretty well anything you want to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geogphotos Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Celluloid Hero said: From what I have read here, pay 17 cents and you can use the image for pretty well anything you want to. I know what you mean but I don't see that in my licences. Here are two recent low-ball ones. They do not cover commercial use - restricted to Editorial. I'm not saying I like it but even so it is not true, from what I see, that these clients can do whatever they want with the image. I very much doubt that the first one will actually be for print use - no idea why they have that in the licence. Unfortunately in a world dominated by RF and micro pricing this is where we have ended up. Country: Worldwide Usage: Editorial, Websites, apps, social media & blogs, editorial, any size, in perpetuity, worldwide Media: Website, app and social media Print run: Unlimited Placement: Any - print cover & inside, electronic, online Image Size: Any size Start: 18 February 2022 Duration: In perpetuity Country: WorldwideUsage: Editorial, For editorial use on website and associated social mediaMedia: Website, app and social mediaStart: 21 February 2022End: 21 February 2023 Edited February 23, 2022 by geogphotos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptoprocta Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 4 hours ago, geogphotos said: The fee depends on the usage and the deal that the client has not on a subjective assessment of 'quality'. Yes, you and I both know that; but another forum member reguarly says, nay asserts, that it's all about the quality of the image. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geogphotos Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Cryptoprocta said: Yes, you and I both know that; but another forum member reguarly says, nay asserts, that it's all about the quality of the image. People say all sorts of things on this forum 😄 I hate the expression but it is appropriate ' we are where we are'. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert M Estall Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 These low-ball sales are alarming and a pretty pointless discussion. Almost equally pointless is the argument from high flyers who are indigent that their beautifully crafted photographs should fall to such depths. Let's put our egos away and ask why would Alamy or anyone else think this is an area worth pursuing. It is just so demoralising! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Robert M Estall said: These low-ball sales are alarming and a pretty pointless discussion. Almost equally pointless is the argument from high flyers who are indigent that their beautifully crafted photographs should fall to such depths. Let's put our egos away and ask why would Alamy or anyone else think this is an area worth pursuing. It is just so demoralising! It strikes me that it's all about Alamy's custom licensing shtick. They apparently want to be all things to all clients -- a traditional RM stock agency, a hip RF agency, and even a microstock agency. This modas operandi has both good and bad aspects for contributors. Seems it's something we just have to learn to live with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Yarvin Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 John, we've always "had to live with" the deals that stock agencies made for us. I saw some pretty awful ones back in the eighties and nineties. What I really wish were that the quality argument was true. (And I've been an advocate of the quality argument in the past.) Yes, better image quality and better meta-data will make our work seem better to customers but unless it's in a tightly controlled environment where buyers know they're going to have to pay before they enter, AND that extra expense is made to be appealing throughout the entire experience, it's not going to work. Robert, you've confused the words "indignant" and "indigent" and that has to be one of the most profound and interesting mistakes I've seen. So many of us old stock photographers are both! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) Putting subjective terms like "quality" aside, what I see with my own sales nowadays is that the higher priced (upper $$ and $$$) ones seem to be dependent on two main factors -- scarcity and the type of client. There are still a few traditional RM buyers (e.g. high-circulation print, museum display, TV) left who are willing to pay more for images that are difficult to find. Luckily I still have some of those in my collection. That said, I had a "rare" image that has licensed several times for $$$ in the past sell to an editorial website for $ this month. When it comes to editorial sales, the buyers are increasingly ones --- websites, social media, newspapers, etc. -- who will only pay a pittance no matter what the "quality" or uniqueness of the image is. There really isn't anything we can do about this state of affairs since Alamy wants to please all types of customers. Edited February 23, 2022 by John Mitchell 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert M Estall Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, Brian Yarvin said: John, we've always "had to live with" the deals that stock agencies made for us. I saw some pretty awful ones back in the eighties and nineties. What I really wish were that the quality argument was true. (And I've been an advocate of the quality argument in the past.) Yes, better image quality and better meta-data will make our work seem better to customers but unless it's in a tightly controlled environment where buyers know they're going to have to pay before they enter, AND that extra expense is made to be appealing throughout the entire experience, it's not going to work. Robert, you've confused the words "indignant" and "indigent" and that has to be one of the most profound and interesting mistakes I've seen. So many of us old stock photographers are both! another dyslexic photographer. and too reliant on spell check Edited February 24, 2022 by Robert M Estall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sooth Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 On 22/02/2022 at 11:06, Cryptoprocta said: While Alamy prices were higher, the low sales volume was almost tolerable. Now that it's low and super-low prices and low sales volume, it's not; especially for those who have different content, RM, on Alamy. They might well, arguably, put their content RF over various sites in a hope of maximising their total earnings. Not that many people expect much nowadays or moving forward. I was fine with the low sales volume, but with better licensing terms and prices. now it's lower prices, and over 90% of which were unlimited licenses which didn't work in my favor; I've had more than double the sales compared to two years ago, but the net remained the same. Even if I wanted to try spreading elsewhere, the avenues I have are limited and closed; I can't upload anywhere else as most places won't accept the stuff I have. so i am here exclusive, and at big A's mercy... I don't think they care much about obtaining higher prices for the quality content they have available. keeping clients and higher sales is priority. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 17 hours ago, Brian Yarvin said: "indigent" I had to look that one up.😧 I am not "indigent" YET! Allan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderingemu Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 some great images. Very Peri for Very Tini fee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celluloid Hero Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Ending the week on a high - an RM sale for 26 cents gross with 10 cents (7p) to me. Yippee! At this rate am estimating reaching the $50 payout threshold approximately June 19th, 2096. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Celluloid Hero said: Ending the week on a high - an RM sale for 26 cents gross with 10 cents (7p) to me. Yippee! At this rate am estimating reaching the $50 payout threshold approximately June 19th, 2096. That's you set up for Friday night then. Maybe share half a Twix and a swig of Fanta? Edited March 4, 2022 by spacecadet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celluloid Hero Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 24 minutes ago, spacecadet said: That's you set up for Friday night then. Maybe share half a Twix and a swig of Fanta? Steady on, no need to go mad! 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aphperspective Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 59 minutes ago, Celluloid Hero said: Ending the week on a high - an RM sale for 26 cents gross with 10 cents (7p) to me. Yippee! At this rate am estimating reaching the $50 payout threshold approximately June 19th, 2096. Damn it you will get there a month before me.😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, aphperspective said: Damn it you will get there a month before me.😄 No Twix for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broad Norfolk Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Sorry, folks. I was going to winge about yet more $ sales but I've decided at my age that I just can't be bothered. My business diversifies into more 'satisifying' directions. Strawberries and cream for tea! Jim. 😏 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderingemu Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 28 minutes ago, Broad Norfolk said: Sorry, folks. I was going to winge about yet more $ sales but I've decided at my age that I just can't be bothered. My business diversifies into more 'satisifying' directions. Strawberries and cream for tea! Jim. 😏 No twix? 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broad Norfolk Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 3 hours ago, meanderingemu said: No twix? 😉 Maybe as a little extra! There is one in the sweetie draw!! ....mind the diet.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aphperspective Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 On 04/03/2022 at 15:10, spacecadet said: No Twix for you. Diabetic never go far without one (or two).🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, aphperspective said: Diabetic never go far without one (or two).🙄 Next time we meet up I had better have a ready supply with me. How about Mars bars? Allan Edited March 6, 2022 by Allan Bell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aphperspective Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 5 hours ago, Allan Bell said: Next time we meet up I had better have a ready supply with me. How about Mars bars? Allan Mars bars fine Allen dipped in my Murphy's keeps the old sugar balance just about right. 🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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