Pearl Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 However, more importantly there have been changes in the order of images in the searches within my pseudonym - which lead me to wonder whether Alamy have finally managed to give Supertags a special importance which they haven't really had till now - and may explain why Geoffs' images are now much better placed, as I believe he has been continuing to use the supertags in the correct way - More investigation needs to be done, and also of course it could all get put back again in the next database change later today! Kumar (the Doc one) My images are still generally coming up on the same pages and often on page 1 but the main difference for me is the change in the order of images within my pseudos. Pre 05/12 I had the images keyworded so that my best ones came up early (within my own pseudo) in a search. Everything changed with the shuffle in December so I re tagged to get my best images back to the front. These are now way back and they include some good sellers. I give up. Pearl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 26, 2017 Author Share Posted April 26, 2017 However, more importantly there have been changes in the order of images in the searches within my pseudonym - which lead me to wonder whether Alamy have finally managed to give Supertags a special importance which they haven't really had till now - and may explain why Geoffs' images are now much better placed, as I believe he has been continuing to use the supertags in the correct way - More investigation needs to be done, and also of course it could all get put back again in the next database change later today! Kumar (the Doc one) My images are still generally coming up on the same pages and often on page 1 but the main difference for me is the change in the order of images within my pseudos. Pre 05/12 I had the images keyworded so that my best ones came up early (within my own pseudo) in a search. Everything changed with the shuffle in December so I re tagged to get my best images back to the front. These are now way back and they include some good sellers. I give up. Pearl me too... Kumar (the Doc one) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reimar Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 I too see higher image placement generally and especially for supertags (which had previously resulted in images at the back of the pack). Today, I see BHZ working very well in terms of relative rank. Using supertags I have my best pseudo images on page 3, modest pseudo images on page 9/10. My poorest pseudo has images on page 12 and 19 out of 25. The direction is correct and as it should be. I'll see in the next days what the story is for tags and captions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainara Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Sorry but, what do you mean when you write BHZ? Try searching the forum for BHZ and you'll find lots about it. It used to be a way of trying to discover your Alamy rank (put BHZ as a super tag on just one image). Wait 24 hours, then search for BHZ on Alamy and note where your image appears relative to all the others playing the BHZ game. In recent times the results are all over the place, and Alamy have always said it's not a sensible test, but I have found it useful in the past. Thank you! I'll try it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 My BHZ image is now on page one. Page two a few days ago. Does not make sense as my views, zooms etc are down and this month sales are non-existent. Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 My main pseudo has been promoted to page two on BHZ today. Now if the Easter Bunny would get hopping and bring me a few more sales before the month is out, I'd be really happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellonearth Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 This is the first time I have added BHZ to any of my images with the following results Image 1 with BHZ as supertag - page 11 image 2 with BHZ in caption - page 25 image 3 with BHZ as just a tag - page 29 31 pages of BHZ My conclusion is that supertags are very important compared to captions which are in turn slightly more important than normal tags. Incidentally all 3 images are taken in Phuket Town. If I search for "old phuket town" image 3 is on the first page position 16, image 2 is in position 54 on page 1 and image 1 is in position 51 on page 2. Can anyone enlighten me on what this indicates about my rank? Out of interest I will now switch to the following and see what happens tomorrow Image 1 with BHZ as just a tag image 2 with BHZ as supertag image 3 with BHZ in caption Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Carlsson Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 This is the first time I have added BHZ to any of my images with the following results Image 1 with BHZ as supertag - page 11 image 2 with BHZ in caption - page 25 image 3 with BHZ as just a tag - page 29 31 pages of BHZ My conclusion is that supertags are very important compared to captions which are in turn slightly more important than normal tags. Incidentally all 3 images are taken in Phuket Town. If I search for "old phuket town" image 3 is on the first page position 16, image 2 is in position 54 on page 1 and image 1 is in position 51 on page 2. Can anyone enlighten me on what this indicates about my rank? Out of interest I will now switch to the following and see what happens tomorrow Image 1 with BHZ as just a tag image 2 with BHZ as supertag image 3 with BHZ in caption Kevin Would also be interesting to see results of BHZ in caption + supertag, as well as BHZ in caption + tag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellonearth Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 This is the first time I have added BHZ to any of my images with the following results Image 1 with BHZ as supertag - page 11 image 2 with BHZ in caption - page 25 image 3 with BHZ as just a tag - page 29 31 pages of BHZ My conclusion is that supertags are very important compared to captions which are in turn slightly more important than normal tags. Incidentally all 3 images are taken in Phuket Town. If I search for "old phuket town" image 3 is on the first page position 16, image 2 is in position 54 on page 1 and image 1 is in position 51 on page 2. Can anyone enlighten me on what this indicates about my rank? Out of interest I will now switch to the following and see what happens tomorrow Image 1 with BHZ as just a tag image 2 with BHZ as supertag image 3 with BHZ in caption Kevin Would also be interesting to see results of BHZ in caption + supertag, as well as BHZ in caption + tag Yes I did think of doing this so I have now added: image 4 with caption and supertag image 5 with caption and tag Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 This is the first time I have added BHZ to any of my images with the following results Image 1 with BHZ as supertag - page 11 image 2 with BHZ in caption - page 25 image 3 with BHZ as just a tag - page 29 31 pages of BHZ My conclusion is that supertags are very important compared to captions which are in turn slightly more important than normal tags. Incidentally all 3 images are taken in Phuket Town. If I search for "old phuket town" image 3 is on the first page position 16, image 2 is in position 54 on page 1 and image 1 is in position 51 on page 2. Can anyone enlighten me on what this indicates about my rank? Out of interest I will now switch to the following and see what happens tomorrow Image 1 with BHZ as just a tag image 2 with BHZ as supertag image 3 with BHZ in caption Kevin Would also be interesting to see results of BHZ in caption + supertag, as well as BHZ in caption + tag Yes I did think of doing this so I have now added: image 4 with caption and supertag image 5 with caption and tag Kevin If you are adding BHZ to more than one image in the same pseudo they will be affected by the diversity algorithm (or whatever it's called) which is why we are only supposed to put it in one image per pseudo. However if you are putting it in different pseudos then it will be affected by rank. IMHO the only accurate way to do the test is to have ONE image and keep making changes each time the site updates. Pearl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Carlsson Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Would also be interesting to see results of BHZ in caption + supertag, as well as BHZ in caption + tag As my post said..... "Adding a phrase to a caption where the words are already tags or supertags improves placement. I have also seen that captions have the exact same weight as supertags. So the best bet is to have both". Geoff. Makes perfect sense to me i.e. "keywords" in captions backed up as either tags or supertags equals even more relevance thus better placement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dov makabaw Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I am totally confused. The 31 pages is the default of 100 per page. In the past we have used 120 per page which is 26 pages. I shall use the image number to avoid confusion. Pseudo Position Position Position Creative Relavant New dm 395 396 80 mw 1,089 1,094 759 dmC 1,210 1,218 344 dmIn 1,241 1,256 457 dmIs 1,273 1,273 532 dmS 1,430 1,556 1,342 I find it difficult to get my head round why there are such significant differences between the ranking of the same image between the different categories/filters. What criteria are we to use for future BHZ posts i.e. 100 or 120 images per page and new, relevant or creative as a filter?? dov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Myford Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I've just joined in again, and with a Supertag only am on page 12 of 31 (RM + RF, 100/page). For RM only, page 11 of 30. RM only, 120/page, gives 9 of 25. So about the same as I used to be, given that some pseudos now have multiple entries and others have dropped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 27, 2017 Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 I've just joined in again, and with a Supertag only am on page 12 of 31 (RM + RF, 100/page). For RM only, page 11 of 30. RM only, 120/page, gives 9 of 25. So about the same as I used to be, given that some pseudos now have multiple entries and others have dropped out. RF should be taken out of BHZ searches as they are (or were) treated differently by the Alamy search engine Kumar (the Doc one) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Holy smoke.. Adding a bhz supertag (also in caption and ordinary tag) has put me on page 1. before adding the super it was on p20. Never been anywhere near it before- used to be p23-25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colblimp Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Hi All Just had a look interesting images are appearing in searches that have NOTHING to do with the search term used????? also the new mix is strange buyers are going to be confused. This needs tweaking so results are at least what you expect . Regards Jon Strange you should say that. A few days ago, a search which appeared in my results was 'Space Station Interior'. The image which appeared? The interior of Coventry Bus Station. Go figure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskerke Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I've just joined in again, and with a Supertag only am on page 12 of 31 (RM + RF, 100/page). For RM only, page 11 of 30. RM only, 120/page, gives 9 of 25. So about the same as I used to be, given that some pseudos now have multiple entries and others have dropped out. RF should be taken out of BHZ searches as they are (or were) treated differently by the Alamy search engine Kumar (the Doc one) I don't think RF is treated differently any more. I include it. It may be under-reported in BHZ for historic reasons. And most agencies do not have BHZ images. When page=100 arrived, I have set my page to 100 and I have stopped counting in pages, but have recorded the exact location. Now very easy because I only have to count the location on a page and add the page count -1. If you think RF is treated differently, exchange [one of] your RM BHZ image for an RF one. wim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reimar Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Be careful what you wish for. Yes supertags work now, and how. What a difference from regular tags! Top Pseudo: page 3 to page 22 Middle Pseudo: page 9 to page 23 Bottom Pseudo: page 12/19 to page 24. BHZ, Relevant, RM only, 120/page. Having two images per pseudo gives me an idea of the spread due to the randomization algorithm. At this point one image would do since they are all within a line or two of each other. It will take me a few days to test out all the other permutations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Hi All Just had a look interesting images are appearing in searches that have NOTHING to do with the search term used????? also the new mix is strange buyers are going to be confused. This needs tweaking so results are at least what you expect . Regards Jon Strange you should say that. A few days ago, a search which appeared in my results was 'Space Station Interior'. The image which appeared? The interior of Coventry Bus Station. Go figure! I guess you must have "station" and "interior" in your keywords and the search engine got desperate when it couldn't find many exact matches. Lots of other stations of all kinds and other odd matches come up in the search results for "space station interior". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin P Wilson Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I'm happy, for the moment at least! Since the new AIM, i had started around #40 then slowly slid to #350 or so on my principal test search. I am now back to #28 and my second pseudonym has improved from around #250 to around #40. It just now needs to convert to sales! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Put simply over the past two days my photographs are finishing much higher in searches again. What ever changes have been made (if any) has helped me. Along with some daily zooms again. Lets see. Many of my photographs had disappeared from pages 1-5. Now they are back om 1 & 2 Happier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreign Export Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I dont do the BHZ thing, but can report positively that my newly loaded images are mainly back on page 1 and 2 under creative search - which is back to pre november outcomes so my conclusion is normal business has somewhat resumed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Hmmm... can't say that I notice the big differences that others are reporting. Some of my images seem to be moving around while others are staying put in search results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Taking the tag out of the caption has put my image down from 1 to 19. Still super+tag. I've always had fairly comprehensive (remember them?) captions so not much work to do. However I may have skewed it by including another bhz supertag in an image from my other, good, pseudo, p8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellonearth Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 This is the first time I have added BHZ to any of my images with the following results Image 1 with BHZ as supertag - page 11 image 2 with BHZ in caption - page 25 image 3 with BHZ as just a tag - page 29 31 pages of BHZ My conclusion is that supertags are very important compared to captions which are in turn slightly more important than normal tags. Incidentally all 3 images are taken in Phuket Town. If I search for "old phuket town" image 3 is on the first page position 16, image 2 is in position 54 on page 1 and image 1 is in position 51 on page 2. Can anyone enlighten me on what this indicates about my rank? Out of interest I will now switch to the following and see what happens tomorrow Image 1 with BHZ as just a tag image 2 with BHZ as supertag image 3 with BHZ in caption Kevin Would also be interesting to see results of BHZ in caption + supertag, as well as BHZ in caption + tag Yes I did think of doing this so I have now added: image 4 with caption and supertag image 5 with caption and tag Kevin Follow up BHZ results as follows which is pretty conclusive Image 1 with BHZ as just a tag Page 30, position 1 image 2 with BHZ as supertag Page 12, position 45 image 3 with BHZ in caption only Page 25, position 3 image 4 with caption and supertag Page 2, position 3 image 5 with caption and tag Page 5, position 85 Can anyone comment about where rank comes into play in all this? Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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