spacecadet Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 1 minute ago, GP Essex said: How many contributors actually earn over 25k? I'd imagine it's a pretty small minority? Why do you think the bar was set that high? I didn't use to be cynical about Alamy and would stick up for them when unjustifiably criticised. Not so sure now. 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geogphotos Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 (edited) My prediction to calm you all down? Same as last time. They will reconsider and hit non-exclusives even harder ( 30% maybe) and you will all be relieved and go along with it. 🙃 Edited May 17, 2021 by geogphotos 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin P Wilson Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, geogphotos said: My prediction to calm you all down? Same as last time. They will reconsider and hit non-exclusives even harder ( 30% maybe) and you will all be relieved and go along with it. I am not convinced Ian. It is different owners and managers now; and unlike last time I assume that there is no sale of Alamy imminent. I am just relieved that I have been putting my energies elsewhere. Edited May 17, 2021 by Martin P Wilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve F Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 I think a large part of the historical goodwill to Alamy from contributors has been around the fair commission structure. The proposals remove the incentive to be exclusive on Alamy. I understand that you're trying to compete with other agencies, is reducing the payment % to photographers the only way to be competitive? It just looks like a slippery slope to me. If you can't beat microstock, join them???!! Maybe trying to emulate microstock is not the way and you can continue to set yourselves apart from the competition. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stokie Posted May 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2021 At this rate it will be difficult to reach the $50 payout amount!! How about Alamy pays what is owed at the end of the month even if it is below $50? John. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
German Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Doesn't Alamy now have a big conflict of interest to prevent contributors from earning more, so they can be downgraded to the lowest tiers? With sales like the last one I got (for the astronomical amount of 0.22 USD) it will *only* take Alamy selling 1,136 more of my photographs at such rate to escape Silver. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avpics Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, Michael2020 said: I'm getting very confused by the word "commission". It used to be that the photographer earned the money and the agent took commission That's still the case but Alamy seem to have overlooked that. We pay their wages. By promoting the selling of images elsewhere they risk seeing a reduced income 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryD Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Sorely disappointed in this contract change, I won't bother uploading any more pictures to Alamy, I had been sorting through mine meaning to submit a significant number but don't really see the point if I'm going to end up on 20%. I've made more sales privately than through Alamy (different pictures as I had kept those on Alamy as exclusive) so will take my images down once the contract change comes in to force. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan_Andison Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, David Pimborough said: You are not microstock agency like SS or GTY but it seems you have ambitions to copy them and their business model. No chance, Alamy aren't that good. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin P Wilson Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, Steve F said: I think a large part of the historical goodwill to Alamy from contributors has been around the fair commission structure. The proposals remove the incentive to be exclusive on Alamy. I understand that you're trying to compete with other agencies, is reducing the payment % to photographers the only way to be competitive? It just looks like a slippery slope to me. If you can't beat microstock, join them???!! Maybe trying to emulate microstock is not the way and you can continue to set yourselves apart from the competition. Exactly what I was saying five year or more ago. For photographers the stock photography model is essentially dead, anyway this shows it is at least dying and on its last legs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Myford Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Just the latest move to favour large agencies and kick out the individual contributors. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stokie Posted May 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2021 It just seems fundamentally wrong whereby someone selling an artists work gets more than the artist does. John. 2 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobD Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 When they changed the commission structure last time I went against the mainstream and changed from being exclusive to non exclusive. Looks like I was proved right to do so. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travelshots Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Our growth plans are beginning to take shape. Your own individual results on our platform will vary, but overall sales via our website in 2021 are 45% higher than they were in the first 4 months of 2020. This increases the earning potential for all our contributors and we want to be sure our model supports sustainable growth. Increase in number of sales maybe ? What is the increase in revenue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
German Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Travelshots said: Our growth plans are beginning to take shape. Your own individual results on our platform will vary, but overall sales via our website in 2021 are 45% higher than they were in the first 4 months of 2020. This increases the earning potential for all our contributors and we want to be sure our model supports sustainable growth. Interesting, so pay cuts come in the context of an increase of profits? That makes it look like sustainable growth is just an euphemism for a company's greed. Edited May 17, 2021 by German 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post imageplotter Posted May 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2021 Let's be absolutely clear: This is a kick in the stomach of contributors. And an even worse kick in the stomach for all those who have - after the last set of changes, which favoured exclusive content - obediently changed many or most of their images to be exclusive to alamy. Sorry, alamy. You've completely lost my trust now, and you've lost whatever credibility you may have had left pretending to be a 'high quality' 'editorial' agency, rather than microstock. Cheap as chips. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Allsopp Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 (edited) I am pretty bloody cross (NO I'M NOT - I AM BLOODY LIVID) about all that wasted time marking exclusive images as well as a further cut in commission. Remembering the axiom "Act in haste" etc. I am not giving notice today but I may very well do so tomorrow OR EVEN LATER TODAY. Fortunately I have much better sales elsewhere for a niche library that returns me twice as much from half as many images. They are easier and nicer to deal with too. Edited May 17, 2021 by Bill Allsopp 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin P Wilson Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Just now, imageplotter said: Let's be absolutely clear: This is a kick in the stomach of contributors. And an even worse kick in the stomach for all those who have - after the last set of changes, which favoured exclusive content - obediently changed many or most of their images to be exclusive to alamy. Sorry, alamy. You've completely lost my trust now, and you've lost whatever credibility you may have had left pretending to be a 'high quality' 'editorial' agency, rather than microstock. Cheap as chips. And not very good at the microstock model either ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post geogphotos Posted May 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2021 So funny all this talk of the 'core 40%' being maintained as though we should be reassured. Not long ago it was 65% 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan_Andison Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Travelshots said: but overall sales via our website in 2021 are 45% higher than they were in the first 4 months of 2020. Given the chaos early last year from covid it's hardly a surprise 😂 As for the changes here, not much change for those who didn't go chasing after the exclusivity bone that was chucked around last time. I do still submit some stuff here when I get time but in all honesty, Alamy is only $2.5k for me and my efforts are elsewhere... I can get that from one agency in less than a month. I'll not be jumping through hoops here to increase it by a few cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Ramsay Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Very disappointing, particularly after deceiving many of us into making our images exclusive when they already knew what they intended to do. I won't say it's actually dishonest, but it's certainly sharp practice. Alex 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Pritchard Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Another kick in the contributors' teeth from Alamy. I predict that their next move will be to charge contributors to upload images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geogphotos Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 One thing for sure. My old slide scans are coming down as of today. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderingemu Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 31 minutes ago, spacecadet said: So much for all the fuss about the extra for exclusive barely 18 months ago. This would be a kick in the teeth at the best of times. With things as they are it's a kick in the teeth, then another one lower down for the gentlemen. also note the blog, they claim they are doing this because some people didn't do it properly. So everyone gets penalised because they don't trust the people they do business with. In other words, Alamy is blaming contributors for the change. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewP Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 A tip for new contributors who have yet to sign up to Alamy. Rather than apply with a collection of just a few images and continuously upload new work as soon as it’s created, wait until you have several hundred images ready. Then apply and upload it all at once as soon as you’re accepted and you’ll have a much better chance of beating the $250 limit within your first year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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