geogphotos Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, dustydingo said: I think you're right Fascinatingly, I also note several almost text-book examples of the Dunning–Kruger effect in action. DD Dunning–Kruger seems to be the latest iteration of Godwin's law. Edited March 31, 2020 by geogphotos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 59 minutes ago, IanDavidson said: Thanks for your response. If you look at my profile you will see that the majority of my news photos recently are local. However, I believe that multiple news sources are important Not all media organisations can afford pictures from my friends at PA and Getty. The news agencies work to specific news agendas, I do not. Alamy has been kind to me and if I can help by making highly marketable images (my Downing Street photos sell well) then I will do so. It is still my job and I need to earn income.... In general terms a free and independent media is important. We have seen regrettable occasions when the Government has restricted access to news briefings to selected media outlets.. No. 10 now has its own in-house photographer and video team releasing “news” footage that used to be covered by independent media. In times of crisis it is most important that a free media continues to operate. A demonstrator recently pointed out to me that the mere possession of a press card makes me more likely to obey police instruction etc, it did make me think... Yes I totally understand your reasoning in a purely objective way and I was just questioning the notion of what is essential work from the perspective of a photographer, which is the original subject of this thread. Lest we forget, Covid-19 is a potentially very serious or even fatal illness so the personal risk of travelling on public transport into and around London is not insignificant, not only to oneself but also to one's family and anyone else one comes in contact with. The symptoms can be very mild or non-existent so one can actually be infected or be infectious without realising it. I think all that should be factored in when making decisions about what is essential or not. I wish you the best of luck whatever you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobD Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 9 minutes ago, dustydingo said: I think you're right Fascinatingly, I also note several almost text-book examples of the Dunning–Kruger effect in action. DD Not being a psychologist I couldn't possibly comment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Morrison Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, dustydingo said: I also note several almost text-book examples of the Dunning–Kruger effect in action. With cricket being cancelled, I'm suffering from Duckworth-Lewis deprivation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geogphotos Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MDM said: Yes I totally understand your reasoning in a purely objective way and I was just questioning the notion of what is essential work from the perspective of a photographer, which is the original subject of this thread. Lest we forget, Covid-19 is a potentially very serious or even fatal illness so the personal risk of travelling on public transport into and around London is not insignificant, not only to oneself but also to one's family and anyone else one comes in contact with. The symptoms can be very mild or non-existent so one can actually be infected or be infectious without realising it. I think all that should be factored in when making decisions about what is essential or not. I wish you the best of luck whatever you do. 😀👍😁 Edited March 31, 2020 by geogphotos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, geogphotos said: 😀👍😁 🤣✌️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustydingo Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 22 minutes ago, spacecadet said: I haven't read the textbook, but might you not be exhibiting it, or at least appear to be exhibiting it, merely by mentioning it?😮 Perhaps . . . or perhaps not. Who knows? . . . DD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustydingo Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 18 minutes ago, BobD said: Not being a psychologist I couldn't possibly comment. DD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustydingo Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 23 minutes ago, geogphotos said: Dunning–Kruger seems to be the latest iteration of Godwin's law. A long bow perhaps? . . . DD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Superdrug is shuttered, but we can still get crispy snacks at this tiny place: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, dustydingo said: Fascinatingly, I also note several almost text-book examples of the Dunning–Kruger effect in action. DD I wonder if there is a name for the law that says whatever law it is doesn't apply to me (impersonal)? Y'know the guy or girl who has a few drinks (alcoholic) before driving or uses a non-handsfree mobile phone while driving or makes up the rules for social distancing and ignores them himself thereby ensuring everyone around him gets a disease as well as himself. The "I'm alright Jack Law" Edited March 31, 2020 by MDM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustydingo Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, John Morrison said: With cricket being cancelled, I'm suffering from Duckworth-Lewis deprivation... As much as I dislike it, I too miss it at the moment . . . all is forgiven D-L, come back . . . DD Edited March 31, 2020 by dustydingo spelling :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geogphotos Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, dustydingo said: A long bow perhaps? . . . DD 🎀 A pink bow? Edited March 31, 2020 by geogphotos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisC Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Just saw this on Twitter, sums this up really & I’ve only read two pages! “Woman on the Jeremy Vine show complaining that a policeman asked her to go home when she was sitting on a park bench having a Prosecco; ‘it’s my right to have a “rest” after my walk’. Can’t you rest at home? ‘No’. Also “they didn’t stop runners drinking water....” #lockdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geogphotos Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, ChrisC said: Just saw this on Twitter, sums this up really & I’ve only read two pages! “Woman on the Jeremy Vine show complaining that a policeman asked her to go home when she was sitting on a park bench having a Prosecco; ‘it’s my right to have a “rest” after my walk’. Can’t you rest at home? ‘No’. Also “they didn’t stop runners drinking water....” #lockdown Yes fair enough the woman sounds like she is taking the proverbial. But we are talking about photography not sitting on a bench drinking prosecco. The consensus is that we should leave this to the News specialists and wait and see if things become easier in the near future for those of us who are general stock photographers. For most of us is it is clearly not essential that we are out taking photos so we are staying at home. I am taking a few on my daily walk and that's it. But equally it is valid to discuss how the police have seemingly exceeded their powers on occasion by setting up roadblocks and using drones to 'spy' on people. There have been plenty of threads on this forum about photographers being told by police not to take photos when it is perfectly legal to do so. Things have moved on quite a lot since the thread was started last week, don't forget 'lockdown' is only over a week old and everybody is still learning. It might be in place for many months. Some say that this thread is useful, others that it is pointless. Participation is optional. Edited March 31, 2020 by geogphotos 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanDavidson Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Just issued By the NPCC police guidance Working with journalists during Covid-19 outbreak The National Police Chiefs Council Communications Advisory Group has agreed to these guidelines being circulated to, and adopted by, Police Forces in England, Wales & Northern Ireland. Police officers are likely to have contact with journalists who will continue doing their job during the Government’s Covid-19 Coronavirus restrictions. The following guidance outlines how this should be approached. Journalists are covered as key workers There is a public interest in keeping the population informed of the developing crisis and subsequent recovery / return to normality Responsible journalism promotes good community relations and assists the emergency services, which is essential in the current health emergency Journalists will be expected to carry a UK Press Card or other official record of employment Police will engage with them if officers are unsure why they are out. We will expect them to comply with the Public Health guidelines e.g. on numbers, social distancing, and if not we’ll explain and encourage them to do so 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty LaRue Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Ed Rooney said: Cabin fever? This is cabin fever on steroids. It's impossible to form a sensible, logical attitude when things keep changing everyday. In the last three days, Barclays has closed an hour earlier each day—first 5PM, then 4, then 3. The Superdrug in Liverpool ONE has closed down. Does anyone know where I might find the entrance to Shangri-La? Or even their forum? With you, Ed. This is a time to be supportive of each other, not critical, or parsing every single sentence or word. The problem with the written word is one can’t see the intent within the head of the one who wrote it. A wrong word that might be construed more than two ways is often taken in the worst way by the reader, and jumped on in a critical way. Thats what happened to me recently, and I was shredded to the bone. I’m still bleeding. Now I’m reading basically the same information I suggested from people posting through links. I still consider this forum as somewhat of a family, and as such, we need to be kind to each other. We are isolated, some with raw feelings through no fault of their own. Heaven forbid something I say might be the tipping point to push someone here over into depression. Yes, we have debate, discussions. Let’s have them in a civil manner. Betty Edited March 31, 2020 by Betty LaRue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Morrison Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Betty LaRue said: Yes, we have debate, discussions. Let’s have them in a civil manner. Betty, considering the existential nature of our plight, I think the forum debates may actually be more reasonable than usual... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty LaRue Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Just now, John Morrison said: Betty, considering the existential nature of our plight, I think the forum debates may actually be more reasonable than usual... Definitely in plight, John, agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Betty LaRue said: With you, Ed. This is a time to be supportive of each other, not critical, or parsing every single sentence or word. The problem with the written word is one can’t see the intent within the head of the one who wrote it. A wrong word that might be construed more than two ways is often taken in the worst way by the reader, and jumped on in a critical way. Thats what happened to me recently, and I was shredded to the bone. I’m still bleeding. Now I’m reading basically the same information I suggested from people posting through links. I still consider this forum as somewhat of a family, and as such, we need to be kind to each other. We are isolated, some with raw feelings through no fault of their own. Heaven forbid something I say might be the tipping point to push someone here over into depression. Yes, we have debate, discussions. Let’s have them in a civil manner. Betty +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty LaRue Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 All respect to you, Edo.😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colblimp Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 On 31/03/2020 at 15:22, IanDavidson said: Just issued By the NPCC police guidance Working with journalists during Covid-19 outbreak The National Police Chiefs Council Communications Advisory Group has agreed to these guidelines being circulated to, and adopted by, Police Forces in England, Wales & Northern Ireland. Police officers are likely to have contact with journalists who will continue doing their job during the Government’s Covid-19 Coronavirus restrictions. The following guidance outlines how this should be approached. Journalists are covered as key workers There is a public interest in keeping the population informed of the developing crisis and subsequent recovery / return to normality Responsible journalism promotes good community relations and assists the emergency services, which is essential in the current health emergency Journalists will be expected to carry a UK Press Card or other official record of employment Police will engage with them if officers are unsure why they are out. We will expect them to comply with the Public Health guidelines e.g. on numbers, social distancing, and if not we’ll explain and encourage them to do so Ian, are you NUJ? I have no press card but whenever I happen upon a checkpoint I just tell the Gardai who I am, what I'm doing and point to the cameras. Then I ask if I can get 'a couple of shots' of the checkpoint and I've not had a refusal or any further questions yet. I guess I've the gift of the gab! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 23 minutes ago, Colblimp said: Ian, are you NUJ? I have no press card but whenever I happen upon a checkpoint I just tell the Gardai who I am, what I'm doing and point to the cameras. Then I ask if I can get 'a couple of shots' of the checkpoint and I've not had a refusal or any further questions yet. I guess I've the gift of the gab! Have you kissed the Blarney stone? Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colblimp Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 30 minutes ago, Allan Bell said: Have you kissed the Blarney stone? Allan I never did! I doubt I will now as kissing it has been banned due to a little known virus which is apparently rife at the moment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanDavidson Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Colblimp said: Ian, are you NUJ? I have no press card but whenever I happen upon a checkpoint I just tell the Gardai who I am, what I'm doing and point to the cameras. Then I ask if I can get 'a couple of shots' of the checkpoint and I've not had a refusal or any further questions yet. I guess I've the gift of the gab! Andy, yes, I have had an NUJ press card for about six years. Difficult to get but very useful. It currently allows me to go out and undertake news photography without any restraint. You are lucky the Grardai are relaxed, as you say “gift of the gab”. Stay safe/well ..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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