Sultanpepa Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 24 minutes ago, CarlMillerPhotos said: This is very sad and is causing me to re-evaluate my relationship with Alamy. WE produce the content. You have no right to 80% of ANYONE'S labor. This is unconscionable. Hear Hear! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colblimp Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 That's me out of Distribution. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgr Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 (edited) Alamy are hammering the nails into their own coffin. So many photographers have stopped doing stock as the cost and sheer effort required was simply not worth the paltry commission payouts any longer and Alamy are now lowering them still further. Time to find a new way to sell my images. In fact I already have and it's way more lucrative than selling stock. Edited May 17, 2021 by jgr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathaniel Noir Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, PAL Media said: Yeah you can, they extended it. I'm completely out now I second that, just opted out as we speak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptoprocta Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 1 hour ago, apguest said: This is bad news for Alamy, last year sales have crashed and now this! how about doing a Survey with us before announcing massive changes??? remember last time you did this and it was a car crash. I feel this could backfire on Alamy, with loss of contributors. Not happy. Every agency which has done the dirty on contributors has lost a proportion of their suppliers. They presumably factor that into their accounting. Sometimes, it's about profitability rather than overall profit, for example. A concept I can't get my head round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanU Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, Cryptoprocta said: this has been done with other agencies who did the nasty, to little, if any, effect. Yup. They've already got millions of pics already... A month of a few contributors not uploading an alternative to something in their library isn't going to hurt them... Buyers will go for the next option. May hurt them on the Live News side however... The downside is you can't exactly delete your pics without waiting half a year for it to take effect, in which time Alamy can continue to sell the photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderingemu Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Reimar said: OK, I get it. If the distributor fee is still 40% before that, we lose. That's a bit of a sneaky table. The real "what we earn" should be listed. But they can't tell you, as the Distributors' commission is no longer part of our Agreement. Distributors could take 90% and this would still be fine with the terms we agreed with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynchpics Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 I have been uploading less in the last year due to covid restrictions etc and as a live news contributor, the increasingly lower fees that we are getting for live news content has been making me consider my options going forward. This new contract now makes it clear now that playing by the rules and being exclusive at Alamy is not good business model anymore. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post geogphotos Posted May 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2021 I don't think it is about 'hurting Alamy' It is about what action you take when you find yourself in an abusive relationship. ie) self respect 3 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Kuta Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Cryptoprocta said: It's deliberatly open to interpretation: wiggle room for them. They have specifically said "any use or exploitation of the Content by Alamy, a Customer or a Distributor will not be, or be deemed to be indecent, obscene, defamatory, insulting, racist, offensive, indecent, vulgar or violate publicity rights anywhere in the world." If Alamy uses content in that way, why shouldn't they be sued? Why have they even stated that as a possibility? I'm assuming their lawyers have gone over this contract, but they can't decide what is, or is deemed to be. any of these things - laws exist to govern these tings. They can't just ignore laws by in venting a 'get out of jail free' card. They should be concentrating on making end-user contracts restrictive and not 'granting' them illegal rights. This clause is under "Contributor Certifications," so my reading of it (I'm not a lawyer) is that we are certifying this statement concerning all our images. I can't think of any image that could not be used such that someone somewhere in the world could deem it offensive, so no way I can so certify. I read through the Contributor Certification section until I was overcome by legalese, but the gist seems to be to throw responsibilities and liabilities our way. More risk, less money. The clause above (4.1.6) was the most alarming to me. As it stands now, I'm pretty sure I'll be leaving before this comes into effect. To me, the potential liabilities are more concerning than anything about commissions. Been here since 2004. Have had at least $250 in sales every year. Over $25,000 in total--close enough, Alamy? Edited May 17, 2021 by Bill Kuta 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobD Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, Colblimp said: That's me out of Distribution. At least we can still do that, I have also opted out of all distribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobD Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Opting out of distribution is one way we can register a protest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilkopix Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Lynchpics said: I have been uploading less in the last year due to covid restrictions etc and as a live news contributor, the increasingly lower fees that we are getting for live news content has been making me consider my options going forward. This new contract now makes it clear now that playing by the rules and being exclusive at Alamy is not good business model anymore. Unless they bring back the 50/50 split for exclusive content then the only sensible business decision for us is to get Alamy to change everything to non exclusive and supply as many agencies as possible. This is our business too. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathaniel Noir Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, RyanU said: Yup. They've already got millions of pics already... A month of a few contributors not uploading an alternative to something in their library isn't going to hurt them... Buyers will go for the next option. May hurt them on the Live News side however... The downside is you can't exactly delete your pics without waiting half a year for it to take effect, in which time Alamy can continue to sell the photos. Bummer, I completely take your point, maybe I'm naively hopeful, but I'm a believer in small actions adding up. They cleverly retained the high-earners on the 50%, if they don't see a change they won't complain as it won't affect them, but it sure would be good to have them on our side. There is a wild idea - blockchain for stock photography, where we completely cut out the middleman! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Harrison Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 (edited) Deleted - duff information Edited May 17, 2021 by Harry Harrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanU Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Harry Harrison said: Petapixel are reporting it here. There are links to a James West Youtube video posted today but they are 'Private' to me. Isn't that an article from 2018? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Harrison Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 1 minute ago, RyanU said: Isn't that an article from 2018? Sorry! I'll delete it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynchpics Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 1 minute ago, wilkopix said: Unless they bring back the 50/50 split for exclusive content then the only sensible business decision for us is to get Alamy to change everything to non exclusive and supply as many agencies as possible. This is our business too. Yeah, there is no benefit to being exclusive anymore. £$£$ talks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanU Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Lynchpics said: Yeah, there is no benefit to being exclusive anymore. £$£$ talks. I feel like that 25k point to retain 50% is less of a goal for lower earners (pretty much unattainable) but a choice to appease high-rollers who are earning Alamy a majority of their income. The last thing Alamy wants is for them to be dissuaded from a continuing relationship. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruffydd Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 I would be grateful if Alamy would clarify what is classed as a personal website. New Clause 2.10 says, By marking Content as Exclusive, you grant Alamy the right to chase third party infringements of the Content without Alamy having to consult you. Where pursuing such infringements if it is found that the Content has been licensed through another licensing platform, Alamy has the right to recoup any fees incurred in the pursuit of any action taken. Is Photoshelter classed as 'another licensing platform'? The definition of Exclusive is ...any item of Content that you have only made available to Alamy which is not also available via any third party licensing, sales or distribution channel, including without limitation via any other stock agency or image site, but excluding the Contributor’s personal website and print sales. If I use Photoshelter as my website, how do I stand? PS I am appalled by this new contract, but you knew that would be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Harrison Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, RyanU said: I feel like that 25k point to retain 50% is less of a goal for lower earners (pretty much unattainable) but a choice to appease high-rollers who are earning Alamy a majority of their income. The last thing Alamy wants is for them to be dissuaded from a continuing relationship. Yes, quite, they say: "We’ve moved to a tiered system so we can ensure that we remain fair to those contributors who sell well with us, and we believe a $250 threshold is low and achievable. We also want there to be an incentive for those independent contributors who sell large volumes with Alamy to remain with us, and to work with us exclusively." This enormous gulf between $250 and $25,000 seems totally unfair to all those in between those figures, don't they worry about being fair to those contributors earning $23,000 like Doc, or $20,000, or $15,000....? I can't see their rationale at all, there is simply no incentive to try harder unless you're teetering just below the £25,000 mark, I actually thought it must be a typo. Edited May 17, 2021 by Harry Harrison 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Harrison Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 'Platinum, Gold & Silver'. Please? Del Boy could do better than that 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanU Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Just now, Harry Harrison said: 'Platinum, Gold & Silver'. Please? Del Boy could do better than that Alamy, you plonker! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptoprocta Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, BobD said: Opting out of distribution is one way we can register a protest. Except that we can't do it until next April: "You can add territories at any time, but you can only deselect territories in April." https://www.alamy.com/distribution-terms.aspx Sneaky timing, Alamy. Correction: seems you can opt out, although the page tells you you can't! Edited May 17, 2021 by Cryptoprocta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptoprocta Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Harry Harrison said: 'Platinum, Gold & Silver'. Please? Del Boy could do better than that It's more like Gold, Silver and Rust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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