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This morning I had this pop up in my Dashboard: 4 images - add more details to improve sales.

It was in the Status column.

It wasn't there yesterday and I'm pretty sure I had them all keyworded and tagged properly.

As far as I can see only some tags went missing.

 

I quickly re-did them from file, but this is weird. A glitch?

 

wim

 

 

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Same thing happened to me yesterday. About 50 images, including a few very old ones, lost their number of people fields. I have fulfill all of them but this morning again Alamy reported five same images with the same problem. I wonder if it's a technical problem of Alamy.  :unsure:

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Same here - 'no. of people' went missing on 2 images a couple of days ago, corrected them, and one showed up again today with the info missing again

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I have had a dozen pop up - ranging from 12 years to 2 months since upload. It is clearly an Alamy data loss issue as the recent ones could not have gone live without the number of people/ model release answers. One will have to be resubmityt3ed because it was RM-E which seems odd as I am not aware of ever using RM-E so I am wondering if that has got corrupted as well; that is a problem I suddenly had with a couple of  other very old images in last year.

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Yes.  Yesterday 19 images needed number of people fields redoing.  Seemed ok this a.m.  This sort of thing has happened before

but not for a while.  

 

Kathy deWitt

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Any possibility of someone at MS checking them by hand and deciding the number of people had been wrong?

 

wim

 

edit: just to make sure before we start mailing MS

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Looking at loads of shots in the papers, many of the larger agencies don't appear to bother with the number people field. I suspect that it ( the field)  is an effort on the part of Alamy to keep us smaller operators safely on the straight and narrow, and would doubt that any checking has occurred.

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Looking at loads of shots in the papers, many of the larger agencies don't appear to bother with the number people field. I suspect that it ( the field)  is an effort on the part of Alamy to keep us smaller operators safely on the straight and narrow, and would doubt that any checking has occurred.

 

I can tell from my own experience and from posts here on the Forum, that checking by hand has occurred. To much annoyance sometimes.

 

wim

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Maybe in Abingdon one who loses at the lunch hour board game or card game has to go check amounts of people in images for an hour?

;-)

 

wim

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it would be much more sensible if the people box said "recognisable people". Saying "more than 4 people' for a wide angle shot of a beach seems stupid.

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it would be much more sensible if the people box said "recognisable people". Saying "more than 4 people' for a wide angle shot of a beach seems stupid.

 

Quite, several other major libraries I have looked at (you know who) seem to manage with a more pragmatic and less legaly dogmatic(in my view flawed) approach.

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I had a couple of those yesterday as well.

 

It does seem silly to me as well if a hand or foot is shown and you need a model release. 

 

Jill

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I had 4 show up that needed the number of people changed.  I was wondering if a human at Alamy actually looks at the images because two of the photos were a group of mannequins in front of a shop in Chinatown Los Angeles.  I marked them as 0 people and I am waiting for them to come back.

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Yep, three here. Wouldn't see it if you didn't tell here ;)

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Yep, three here. Wouldn't see it if you didn't tell here ;)

 

That's why.

 

wim

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I had a couple of those yesterday as well.

 

It does seem silly to me as well if a hand or foot is shown and you need a model release. 

 

Jill

 

I agree. "Recognizable people" makes much more sense. My guess is that, once again, we can blame stuff like this on the lawyers. 

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Me too. I just checked and an image from the Elephant Orphanage had nothing for the how many people. There is a person's arm reaching to touch the baby elephant. I wonder if I missed it the first time and they just caught it.

 

Paulette

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So I refreshed "My Alamy" and again 2 images come up as more details needed.

 

Clicked on the 2, -  Manage Images comes up - but no images in "images for sale but need more details".

 

Go back to My Alamy, refresh again, and poof - the 2 in "add more details" is back to 0.

 

Jill

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I had a couple of those yesterday as well.

 

It does seem silly to me as well if a hand or foot is shown and you need a model release. 

 

Jill

 

I agree. "Recognizable people" makes much more sense. My guess is that, once again, we can blame stuff like this on the lawyers. 

 

 

I am wondering if this is less to do with legal fear and more to do with the "without people" selection by customers This way they are guaranteed that there will be absolutely no people when this is selected.

 

The could have a selection for:  Number of people, then How many are recognizable? - then the MR choice.

 

Jill

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I had a couple of those yesterday as well.

 

It does seem silly to me as well if a hand or foot is shown and you need a model release. 

 

Jill

 

I agree. "Recognizable people" makes much more sense. My guess is that, once again, we can blame stuff like this on the lawyers. 

 

 

I am wondering if this is less to do with legal fear and more to do with the "without people" selection by customers This way they are guaranteed that there will be absolutely no people when this is selected.

 

The could have a selection for:  Number of people, then How many are recognizable? - then the MR choice.

 

Jill

 

 

Or how about a "without body parts" option for buyers? B)

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Looking at loads of shots in the papers, many of the larger agencies don't appear to bother with the number people field. I suspect that it ( the field)  is an effort on the part of Alamy to keep us smaller operators safely on the straight and narrow, and would doubt that any checking has occurred.

 

I can tell from my own experience and from posts here on the Forum, that checking by hand has occurred. To much annoyance sometimes.

 

wim

 

 

I'm sure that you are correct Wim, but I have just looked at one of the larger agency collections within Alamy and here are the stats.

 

Total images  - greater than  300,000

 

Images with 

 

More than 4 people 12

4 people    1

3 people   2

2 people   6

1 person 6

0 people 27

 

i.e. the huge majority of images do not appear to have used the number of people filter. Why then is Alamy so concerned about our relatively small collections?

 

I have to say that I attempt to honestly state the number of people in my shots, including the unidentifiable arm or leg etc, and I guess my motivation is partly to avoid litigation in those cases ( the vast majority) where I don't have a release.

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"I have to say that I attempt to honestly state the number of people in my shots, including the unidentifiable arm or leg etc, and I guess my motivation is partly to avoid litigation in those cases ( the vast majority) where I don't have a release."

 

I generally count the number of miscellaneous arms and legs and then divide the total by two in order to get the exact number of people. Other body parts (e.g. fingers and toes) can be more troublesome.

 

HOT TIP: If you want to be super exact, round the results up or down to the nearest whole person. Then do a scatter plot and draw a line of best fit so that you can eliminate the outliers.

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