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26 minutes ago, spacecadet said:

...and under English law, which governs the contract, unfair terms are unenforceable. There's also precedent that a term is unfair if it imposes uninsurable obligations on any party. One hopes, and it is no more than a hope, that Alamy would not start a case in those circumstances, although the fact that their lawyers have written in a potentially unfair term is unhelpful.

My point was that you expressed a willingness to sue, which isn't an attitude prevalent here.


Not just Alamy’s contract, both other types of contracts often contain unenforceable clauses. The all important Employment Contract for example. Often tribunals find for employees against unlawful contract terms.

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This thread is now 110 pages long and I haven't read all of it so forgive me if this has already been mentioned... But is anyone else experiencing a recent drop in sales?

 

I've been averaging more than one sale per week for several years now but suddenly, with an increase in Alamy's commission pending, I've had no new sales reported for five weeks and counting. The last time I went that long without a sale was about five years ago. What's more I know there's been at least one sale because I had an image in The Guardian at the beginning of the month, correctly credited to me and Alamy.

 

It's a measure of just how much I now distrust Alamy that I strongly suspect them of deliberately holding back sales until the new commission structure comes in. Difficult to see how I can prove it but if I'm right it's not just sneaky, underhand and an appalling way to treat a contributor, but it's also fraud - plain and simple.

 

I'd be interested to know if anyone else is experiencing similar.

 

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10 hours ago, Paul J said:

Just been looking at my previous sales, the gross figures always look better in USD,  $65 sounds good eh! I still don't know why a UK based company is dealing with USD then converting it at an unknown exchange rate. The Terms and conditions state the exchange rate 'will be within 2.5% of the spot rate on that day'. A hidden slice to Alamy. 

 

Anyway, once the new contract is in force that $65 sale will mean £18.50 to the photographer on 'Gold' although reduced to £15.70 for affiliate sale (minus up to 2.5% for exchange rate conversion)

 

Or £9.25 if on 'silver' - £7.85 for affiliate sale.  (minus up to 2.5% for exchange rate conversion)  I had to double check my maths, it reads that bad once written down.

I've always wondered about this dubious conversion, frequently from Sterling to Dollars and back to Sterling with a 2.5% spot rate conversion .. looks horribly like another deduction from the photographer that goes to Alamy. Maybe if they read forum posts they might care to explain it and why it is necessary for all transactions and not just those in foreign currencies.

Thanks for doing the maths Paul, that really is an awful return on our work!

 

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I don't understand the change at all but that can be caused by the language (i'm dutch). I don't have any exclusive images at Alamy. Now I have a blue model. What will that be when I don't change anything? All the changes in the past years weren't any advantage for the photographers at all. Is this another one?

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2 minutes ago, Jan said:

I don't understand the change at all but that can be caused by the language (i'm dutch). I don't have any exclusive images at Alamy. Now I have a blue model. What will that be when I don't change anything? All the changes in the past years weren't any advantage for the photographers at all. Is this another one?

 

There is no advantage for any photographer (except possibly agencies) with the new contract.

 

With the number of images in your portfolio I would imagine you make more than $250 a year from Alamy. If so your return will drop from 50% to 40% (effectively a 20% reduction in income) when the new contract comes in.

 

John.

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39 minutes ago, Dave P said:

This thread is now 110 pages long and I haven't read all of it so forgive me if this has already been mentioned... But is anyone else experiencing a recent drop in sales?

 

I've been averaging more than one sale per week for several years now but suddenly, with an increase in Alamy's commission pending, I've had no new sales reported for five weeks and counting. The last time I went that long without a sale was about five years ago. What's more I know there's been at least one sale because I had an image in The Guardian at the beginning of the month, correctly credited to me and Alamy.

 

It's a measure of just how much I now distrust Alamy that I strongly suspect them of deliberately holding back sales until the new commission structure comes in. Difficult to see how I can prove it but if I'm right it's not just sneaky, underhand and an appalling way to treat a contributor, but it's also fraud - plain and simple.

 

I'd be interested to know if anyone else is experiencing similar.

 

 

I've only had 1 sale so far this month and I usually average 10-15, so I should have sold at least 5 by now. Having said that, most of my sales come in the last few days of the month.

 

John.

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50 minutes ago, Dave P said:

This thread is now 110 pages long and I haven't read all of it so forgive me if this has already been mentioned... But is anyone else experiencing a recent drop in sales?

 

I've been averaging more than one sale per week for several years now but suddenly, with an increase in Alamy's commission pending, I've had no new sales reported for five weeks and counting. The last time I went that long without a sale was about five years ago. What's more I know there's been at least one sale because I had an image in The Guardian at the beginning of the month, correctly credited to me and Alamy.

 

It's a measure of just how much I now distrust Alamy that I strongly suspect them of deliberately holding back sales until the new commission structure comes in. Difficult to see how I can prove it but if I'm right it's not just sneaky, underhand and an appalling way to treat a contributor, but it's also fraud - plain and simple.

 

I'd be interested to know if anyone else is experiencing similar.

 

 

There's always been ups and downs in stock photography; lots or licences, few licences, at differing times.

I doubt Alamy are witholding sales until the new contract starts.

 

I've had 3 this month so far.

But for a total gross of $21 I can see why people are fed up.

 

 

 

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49 minutes ago, Dave P said:

This thread is now 110 pages long and I haven't read all of it so forgive me if this has already been mentioned... But is anyone else experiencing a recent drop in sales?

 

I've been averaging more than one sale per week for several years now but suddenly, with an increase in Alamy's commission pending, I've had no new sales reported for five weeks and counting. The last time I went that long without a sale was about five years ago. What's more I know there's been at least one sale because I had an image in The Guardian at the beginning of the month, correctly credited to me and Alamy.

 

It's a measure of just how much I now distrust Alamy that I strongly suspect them of deliberately holding back sales until the new commission structure comes in. Difficult to see how I can prove it but if I'm right it's not just sneaky, underhand and an appalling way to treat a contributor, but it's also fraud - plain and simple.

 

I'd be interested to know if anyone else is experiencing similar.

 


Similar to you Dave, with a small license sale last week. I had put it down to ups and downs and having a relatively small port.

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1 hour ago, Dave P said:

This thread is now 110 pages long and I haven't read all of it so forgive me if this has already been mentioned... But is anyone else experiencing a recent drop in sales?

 

I've been averaging more than one sale per week for several years now but suddenly, with an increase in Alamy's commission pending, I've had no new sales reported for five weeks and counting. The last time I went that long without a sale was about five years ago. What's more I know there's been at least one sale because I had an image in The Guardian at the beginning of the month, correctly credited to me and Alamy.

 

It's a measure of just how much I now distrust Alamy that I strongly suspect them of deliberately holding back sales until the new commission structure comes in. Difficult to see how I can prove it but if I'm right it's not just sneaky, underhand and an appalling way to treat a contributor, but it's also fraud - plain and simple.

 

I'd be interested to know if anyone else is experiencing similar.

 

 

4 sales so far this month. 5 last month. Same as normal (for me....)

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1 hour ago, Dave P said:

I strongly suspect them of deliberately holding back sales until the new commission structure comes in.

That would be a stupid thing to do. Forgo sales out of spite? Now you're getting paranoid.

There's enough to complain about without making up conspiracies.

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18 minutes ago, spacecadet said:

That would be a stupid thing to do. Forgo sales out of spite? Now you're getting paranoid.

There's enough to complain about without making up conspiracies.

Perhaps he meant not holding back sales but holding back reporting them to the contributor, since he mentioned knowing of a sale that was already published but not reported to him.

Sometimes meanings get lost in the written word.

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2 hours ago, Stokie said:

 

There is no advantage for any photographer (except possibly agencies) with the new contract.

 

With the number of images in your portfolio I would imagine you make more than $250 a year from Alamy. If so your return will drop from 50% to 40% (effectively a 20% reduction in income) when the new contract comes in.

 

John.

actually OP said no image were exclusive, so will see little impact, except on distribution sales .  The Only ones that Alamy is actually targeting with the change are those of us who were idiotic enough to load our better stuff exclusively to them.   This is who Alamy is going after with the change. 

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1 hour ago, Betty LaRue said:

Perhaps he meant not holding back sales but holding back reporting them to the contributor, since he mentioned knowing of a sale that was already published but not reported to him.

Sometimes meanings get lost in the written word.

 

a sale from UK news scheme at start of the month, that has never appeared until month end under current contract. How is that indicative? 

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2 minutes ago, meanderingemu said:

actually OP said no image were exclusive, so will see little impact, except on distribution sales .  The Only ones that Alamy is actually targeting with the change are those of us who were idiotic enough to load our better stuff exclusively to them.   This is who Alamy is going after with the change. 

 

True, I missed the bit where he said he didn't have any exclusive images. So he will still only get 40% except for distributors.

 

John.

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Just now, Stokie said:

 

True, I missed the bit where he said he didn't have any exclusive images. So he will still only get 40% except for distributors.

 

John.

 

 

still remains something that baffles me from the change.  Who Alamy is targeting the hardest. The average contributor that supported them and felt they were different.    

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1 hour ago, spacecadet said:

That would be a stupid thing to do. Forgo sales out of spite? Now you're getting paranoid.

There's enough to complain about without making up conspiracies.

They're not foregoing sales! The sales are still being made. I'm suggesting that they're just not posting them to my account straightaway but are waiting until the end of next month when they can charge me 60% instead of 50%. Is this really so hard to understand? I can't see any other reason why there are suddenly no sales showing on my account in a period which would normally rack up four or five. Especially when I know there was a sale to the Guardian.

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3 hours ago, Dave P said:

This thread is now 110 pages long and I haven't read all of it so forgive me if this has already been mentioned... But is anyone else experiencing a recent drop in sales?

 

I've been averaging more than one sale per week for several years now but suddenly, with an increase in Alamy's commission pending, I've had no new sales reported for five weeks and counting. The last time I went that long without a sale was about five years ago. What's more I know there's been at least one sale because I had an image in The Guardian at the beginning of the month, correctly credited to me and Alamy.

 

It's a measure of just how much I now distrust Alamy that I strongly suspect them of deliberately holding back sales until the new commission structure comes in. Difficult to see how I can prove it but if I'm right it's not just sneaky, underhand and an appalling way to treat a contributor, but it's also fraud - plain and simple.

 

I'd be interested to know if anyone else is experiencing similar.

 

I've been averaging 3 sales a month for a few years and my last sale was May 16. Maybe just a coincidence...

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4 minutes ago, Dave P said:

They're not foregoing sales! The sales are still being made. I'm suggesting that they're just not posting them to my account straightaway but are waiting until the end of next month when they can charge me 60% instead of 50%. Is this really so hard to understand? I can't see any other reason why there are suddenly no sales showing on my account in a period which would normally rack up four or five. Especially when I know there was a sale to the Guardian.

Other people are still getting sales at 'normal' numbers...

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Just now, Dave P said:

Yes, it appears that some are, but also that some are not.

I don't think Alamy have the staff numbers or inclination to pick on individual contributors. Especially small fry like us.

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8 minutes ago, Dave P said:

They're not foregoing sales! The sales are still being made. I'm suggesting that they're just not posting them to my account straightaway but are waiting until the end of next month when they can charge me 60% instead of 50%. Is this really so hard to understand? I can't see any other reason why there are suddenly no sales showing on my account in a period which would normally rack up four or five. Especially when I know there was a sale to the Guardian.

 

in the time i have been here I have never had a Guardian sales reported before month end, or following month if in second half of month.  

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5 minutes ago, Steve F said:

Other people are still getting sales at 'normal' numbers...

 

My sales volume have hardly altered for me, ranging from an average  45-60 a month, but who knows how this will change in the future when 'exclusive' vanishes and everything becomes mainstream and we're all put into the same melting pot.

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