geogphotos Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) Nearly all my pictures are secondary editorial. Looking at the search options I see: ALL CREATIVE EDITORIAL I also assume that my images will be divided between CREATIVE and EDITORIAL but that is not the case. Searching just for EDITORIAL excludes virtually all of my Editorial images. How would anybody know that to find the vast majority of Editorial images you have to search ALL rather than EDITORIAL? Edited June 30, 2022 by geogphotos 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Harrison Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, geogphotos said: secondary editorial Probably just me Ian but what does that mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geogphotos Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Harry Harrison said: Probably just me Ian but what does that mean? Editorial but not News - illustrative editorial images. Alamy's main market - now effectively hidden from searches. Edited June 30, 2022 by geogphotos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) It's a weird term. My understanding is that secondary editorial images are ones that were not intentionally taken for specific use, but rather for general use in books, magazine articles, etc. Almost all of my images fit into the secondary editorial category, and I'd say those of most forum members do as well. I don't know the answer to Ian's question. However, all I know is that if May and June are any indications, my sales numbers are being cut in half, so something seems to be happening with search results. Edited June 30, 2022 by John Mitchell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebecca Ore Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 I'm getting a bit annoyed that advertising photos are being considered "creative." Someone who is taking great sports photos (mine weren't -- for high school US football, I just waited until the crowd was cheering and zoomed in on whichever runner was in front) is doing dynamic framing and composition without being able to direct the models or place them on a shooting table to look like another successful ad. Advertising people are getting confused and wonder where the fully released cheaper-than-hiring-models-and-a-photographer photos are. And anyone with high art photos with lots of composites and adjustment moved those to Fine Arts America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, geogphotos said: Editorial but not News - illustrative editorial images. Alamy's main market - now effectively hidden from searches. It's odd because secondary editorial sales used to be Alamy's mainstay -- i.e. what kept it (and us) alive. Edited June 30, 2022 by John Mitchell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Burrows Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Every thing about the updated Alamy site reminds me of another site I used to be with until they went royalty free only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Harrison Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, geogphotos said: Editorial but not News Thanks, I was just wondering if they had any actual definition on Alamy. After 3 days Live New images are absorbed into the main library but they will still have the 'Sell for editorial only' check box checked so I would expect them to appear under Editorial (mine do). However I'm wondering if this is because you upload as Archival and that this is why they are not coming up in Editorial. Not saying they shouldn't but it may be how things work now. Edited June 30, 2022 by Harry Harrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Chris Burrows said: Every thing about the updated Alamy site reminds me of another site I used to be with until they went royalty free only. If Alamy goes that route then I for one will always be RM never RF so they will not be able to sell my images and have to delete them from their stock. Allan Edited June 30, 2022 by Allan Bell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebecca Ore Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Ads have one thing in common with art forgeries -- a few years after their creation, they look obvious and silly. Things created by people who have a reasonable amount of complexity don't simply have their moments selling whatever, then looking hilariously funny or sad a few years later. My further suspicion is that Alamy wants to be an agency of agencies, and eventually will purge the lower performing individual photographers. I'll wait to see the details. "Creatives" as a term for people is going to seem very very dated in a few years more (or next month if I'm finding it silly now). Just admit some clients with money are advertising agencies and some clients want things cheap -- including people who were getting called "wordsmiths" when I was a technical writer in the DC area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avpics Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 26 minutes ago, Chris Burrows said: Every thing about the updated Alamy site reminds me of another site I used to be with until they went royalty free only. Yes, I noticed that. It's as if they dumped the database into a format that it doesn't suit. Square peg in a round hole, after which they're trying to file down the corners and hit it with a heavier hammer to force it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geogphotos Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 35 minutes ago, Harry Harrison said: Thanks, I was just wondering if they had any actual definition on Alamy. After 3 days Live New images are absorbed into the main library but they will still have the 'Sell for editorial only' check box checked so I would expect them to appear under Editorial (mine do). However I'm wondering if this is because you upload as Archival and that this is why they are not coming up in Editorial. Not saying they shouldn't but it may be how things work now. I have only uploaded around 3400 image through Archival out of 78000. Secondary editorial is not a specific Alamy definition. Sorry not to have explained what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderingemu Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 4 hours ago, geogphotos said: Nearly all my pictures are secondary editorial. Looking at the search options I see: ALL CREATIVE EDITORIAL I also assume that my images will be divided between CREATIVE and EDITORIAL but that is not the case. Searching just for EDITORIAL excludes virtually all of my Editorial images. How would anybody know that to find the vast majority of Editorial images you have to search ALL rather than EDITORIAL? same for me and i see no logic. I even have some images loaded as LN where i removed the "for Editorial Only" that appear as Creative Uncut. Now i'm thinking i need to add it back... This is really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gvallee Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Alamy has stated elsewhere to an ex-member of this forum that the Editorial tab 'is for images submitted via NSE or archival'. NSE being News, Sports & Entertainment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebecca Ore Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) 49 minutes ago, gvallee said: Alamy has stated elsewhere to an ex-member of this forum that the Editorial tab 'is for images submitted via NSE or archival'. NSE being News, Sports & Entertainment. So thinking about editorial as illustrations for journalism, not for books, magazines, or websites on subject areas (country walking, gardening, crafts, etc.). PA's interests are photo journalism (includes news articles about the history of places) or advertising. This is also part of the PA/Alamy family and partners: https://www.talenthouse.com/ (posted June 28, 2022). More here: https://pamediagroup.com/media-centre/ and here: https://pamediagroup.com/alamy-launches-create-search/ Edited July 1, 2022 by Rebecca Ore More links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderingemu Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 48 minutes ago, gvallee said: Alamy has stated elsewhere to an ex-member of this forum that the Editorial tab 'is for images submitted via NSE or archival'. NSE being News, Sports & Entertainment. but i have images submitted as News that aren't there, maybe because i removed the For Ed Only when i provided all the optional Info, so Alamy needs to advise if this is not how it should be. Also this is a problem for Live News images of weather and animals..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gvallee Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 17 minutes ago, meanderingemu said: but i have images submitted as News that aren't there, maybe because i removed the For Ed Only when i provided all the optional Info, so Alamy needs to advise if this is not how it should be. Also this is a problem for Live News images of weather and animals..... I am merely reporting what Alamy said in case it helps. I haven't done any testing myself. I'm sure there's zillions of bugs, if the last release is anything to go by. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Harrison Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Am I right to think that before these changes you couldn't search for Editorial images on their own, instead you could choose to include them? My memory is fuzzy on this as I probably never tried it. Here's an Alamy blog post that might refresh our memories: https://www.alamy.com/blog/comprehensive-guide-to-buying-stock-photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inchiquin Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 9 hours ago, gvallee said: Alamy has stated elsewhere to an ex-member of this forum that the Editorial tab 'is for images submitted via NSE or archival'. NSE being News, Sports & Entertainment. Which is of course not true because it also includes any images with the 'Editorial Only' option ticked. Alan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderingemu Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Inchiquin said: Which is of course not true because it also includes any images with the 'Editorial Only' option ticked. Alan doing some test and that does seem to be the main trigger. Would be nice if Alamy advised what they want us to do to optimise it for clients..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty LaRue Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 20 hours ago, Rebecca Ore said: And anyone with high art photos with lots of composites and adjustment moved those to Fine Arts America. Yes I did. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marianne Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 I've had so many creative images - stock concepts that I shot in my home studio - used as editorial - in not just books and magazines but in newspapers too including The Daily Mail and The Independent (not to mention concepts I shot for editorial clients on this side of the pond) but none of them would be "editorial only." And I have lots of travel photos without people in them taken in public places and so not marked "editorial only" that usually get licensed for the editorial market. These could all be used outside the editorial market so I wouldn't want to limit them - but I hate to lose editorial sales. Kind of a mess. Maybe Alamy should have us add "editorial" as a keyword in this instance? But does it then move them out of one or more of the creative collections? Most of us seem to be in the same boat here. Maybe Alamy can give us some direction? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Harrison Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 How strange that Alamy should be commenting 'elsewhere' but not on their own contributor forum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gvallee Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Harry Harrison said: How strange that Alamy should be commenting 'elsewhere' but not on their own contributor forum. If you are referring to my post, Alamy was not commenting there. The Alamy contributor was reporting the result to his query to Alamy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderingemu Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Harry Harrison said: How strange that Alamy should be commenting 'elsewhere' but not on their own contributor forum. Wouldnt be the first time. happened with the inclusivity survey. Edited July 3, 2022 by meanderingemu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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