ROC Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 It would be interesting to see how many of us have had sales to China in the last 24 hours for $0.02 - $0.00 for us. I opted out of selling to China in April. I’ve had 10 of these sales. 😡😡 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryH Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 20 for me, 8 at 0.00 to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teczoom Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Ohh so it's not just me then, how on earth can this be good business for us!, THIS HAS TO STOP ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hyde Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 I had three of these yesterday. I also opted out of selling to China some time ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Cousins Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Yes I've just had 3 sales logged to China and my net income appears to be 1 cent for the lot!!! I'm really fed up with the derisory fees anyway but this is beyond insulting. 'Why do I bother' is the recurring question.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Watkins Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) Fortunately(!), just the one Chinese penny licence for me. I too have opted out of sales to China. This licence takes me to the same total of licences I sold in the whole of 2021 (yay!) but I've so far earned only 37% of the last year's gross revenue (boo!) Edited September 21, 2022 by Russell Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Duncan_Andison Posted September 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) Thank god I opted out of these... Like I had the last time 60 showed up in my sales sheet... just like I've had another 13 this morning. How many more times do I need to contact Alamy about this (I'm opted out of NU and China). The last couple of times, it was sorry, human error. This isn't human error any more, it's incompetence. So far this year it's happened in January, July & now Sept. Come on Alamy at least try to give us some sort of confidence that you can managed our portfolios and that the opt out screens mean something other than nothing at all. Edit. Sorry if this sounds angry it's just so frustrating. It's like Groundhog Day, the same problem just keeps repeating itself over and over again. Edited September 21, 2022 by Duncan_Andison 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ventura Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Two for me, both RF. Fortunately I have relatively few RF images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderingemu Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 42 minutes ago, Duncan_Andison said: How many more times do I need to contact Alamy about this (I'm opted out of NU and China). The last couple of times, it was sorry, human error. This isn't human error any more, it's incompetence. So far this year it's happened in January, July & now Sept. Come on Alamy at least try to give us some sort of confidence that you can managed our portfolios and that the opt out screens mean something other than nothing at all. It's not only that they manage portfolio, but that they control and do selection process on who the select to do business with. Alamy specifically chose and decides who they partner up with as Distributors, yet allows them to do whatever they want in all impunity. What Audit was made when signing these agreements? Why does Alamy even allow the distributors to Not respect Alamy's standards on reporting. I opted out of Chinese Distro in April 2021, and did get hit with last December mass sales, but none this time- so the opt out works, but clearly this seems to confirms that Alamy is allowing Chinese distributor, which Alamy specifically Selected to do business with to hold sales for a long period and just do mass reporting whenever they feel like it. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ognyan Yosifov Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) My 3 to China helped me to surpass my last year sales volume - an unfortunate event for a good milestone ... Edited September 21, 2022 by Ognyan Yosifov 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan_Andison Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, meanderingemu said: I opted out of Chinese Distro in April 2021, and did get hit with last December mass sales, but none this time- so the opt out works, but clearly this seems to confirms that Alamy is allowing Chinese distributor, which Alamy specifically Selected to do business with to hold sales for a long period and just do mass reporting whenever they feel like it Sadly, the opt out doesn't seem to work for me. I've been opted out of NU since back in 2013 and opted out of China either this year or last. In January, I was told it was a NU scheme with a Chinese Distributor and that my work was licensed as part of that scheme in error as I've opted out of it. So, this would suggest someone somewhere within Alamy is ignoring the opt outs when it suits them... or, someone they have approved as a distributor has. Either way, it shows they don't have full control over our work. Edited September 21, 2022 by Duncan_Andison 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ognyan Yosifov Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Duncan_Andison said: Sadly, the opt out doesn't seem to work for me. Someone somewhere within Alamy is ignoring the opt outs when it suits them... or, someone they have approved as a distributor has. Either way, it shows they don't have full control over our work. You can opt out only in April, but you can opt in anytime - isn't it generous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan_Andison Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Ognyan Yosifov said: You can opt out only in April, but you can opt in anytime - isn't it generous? Exactly... but it seems even though I've been opted out of NU for nearly 10 years and china specific for about a year or more it makes little difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderingemu Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 16 minutes ago, Duncan_Andison said: Sadly, the opt out doesn't seem to work for me. I've been opted out of NU since back in 2013 and opted out of China either this year or last. In January, I was told it was a NU scheme with a Chinese Distributor and that my work was licensed as part of that scheme in error as I've opted out of it. So, this would suggest someone somewhere within Alamy is ignoring the opt outs when it suits them... or, someone they have approved as a distributor has. Either way, it shows they don't have full control over our work. Pretty sure Alamy corrected/adjusted the statement on NU in regards to Distributor and decided everything a distributor does is Normal business, Alamy gives them freedom to do whatever they want- including delay reports so we can't identify when the sale actually happened in regards to Opt out and Which agreement they should have been handled under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan_Andison Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) Well, as I opted out of NU back in 2013 and the images being sold were uploaded well after that, I can assume these images should have never been sold under the NU scheme as there was never a point in time when they could be. If Alamy do say they have no control over how Distributors sell work, that means I will opt out of all. Oh, but that doesn't make any difference as I'm opted out of the countries affected (China). Which they acknowledged was the case and that it was an error in Jan, July and I'm assuming another error now. Edited September 21, 2022 by Duncan_Andison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Pleased to say I have never (yet) had any of these ridiculous "sales". I am not in NU and have opted out of all distribution apart from US and Japan. Also I have relatively low numbers of RF images, so something has worked! kumar 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Yarvin Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 It looks like twenty-five of these for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan_Andison Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Gutter... Have you also opted out of NU and China etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobeastsofierce Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) I've opted out of NU and all distribution in april but still getting a lot of those chinese sales. Several of those are deductions only so I'm the one who actually pays the end user ?! Alamy should step up and take responsibility. What's the point of having rules if the agency itself disregards them? Edited September 21, 2022 by nobeastsofierce 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnans Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 @Alamy Would you be kind enough to respond here or need an email from every worried contributor to the contributor relations team? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ognyan Yosifov Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Just now, Gnans said: @Alamy Would you be kind enough to respond here or need an email from every worried contributor to the contributor relations team? I guess they have A LOT of emails today, including mine ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRJUK Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Yep, here we go again, got three sales today for… errmmm… nothing! email sent. I’ve excluded China since last time this happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camera Girl Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Same - 5 of these $0.02 sales to China. But hey - wait! Alamy have generously split the fee 50:50 instead of 60:40 and we have each earnt $0.01 per image! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camera Girl Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Just now, Camera Girl said: Same - 5 of these $0.02 sales to China. But hey - wait! Alamy have generously split the fee 50:50 instead of 60:40 and we have each earnt $0.01 per image! Just re-read my account balance - and no - the 40% commission was to the distributor not me - so I have earnt zero! Surely that is a breach of contract - we never allowed Alamy to give our images away for free. There must be some legal position here. Surely? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alamy Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Hi All, We're very sorry that due to a technical error on our part some of you who have opted-out of distribution are seeing image sales on your account via distribution sales. We are aware of the issue that these sales shouldn't have happened for those opted-out of distribution, and we're investigating to establish what happened so we can resolve this as soon as possible. We'll be paying all contributors 100% of the commission from these sales. If you think you shouldn't have seen these distribution sales on your account, you can email contributors@alamy.com however we will be getting in touch with everyone affected once we have a clearer picture on the matter. Thanks, Alamy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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