Betty LaRue Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Or "vertical?" I've been doing this forever, but wonder if a buyer indicates orientation, is it automatically detected without the keyword? What do you do? Betty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Hi Betty, No need as it can be selectedby the searcher via the selective searches to the left of the search box, and the search engine automatically detects portrait or landscape as well as square and panoramic Kumar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskerke Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Ok let me re-phrase Betty's question then, because I am in the same boat. If a client searches for horizontal, and I do not have that in my keywords, will my image turn up? I guess it's testing time again! wim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Some agencies/portals automatically add "horizontal" or "vertical" to keywords. I never put them in for Alamy. Don't know the answer to Betty's and Wim's questions, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskerke Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Clients use it too. Probably some clients use portrait and landscape. Maybe only the first time ;-) (How many clients know the meaning of portrait and landscape? Why not include horizontal and vertical?) When I search for road horizontal (actual search) I get: road horizontal :151,797 Results road horizontal - with landscape box ticked: 143,777 Results road - with landscape box ticked: 762,900 Results From that I read: 151,797 have both keywords, but only 143,777 are really horizontal. Or some are not being recognized as such by the engine. That's easy to test: 4681 portraits 1034 squares 2305 pano 143777 landscape makes 151797 total. No image left behind. Now the 762,900 for road - with landscape box ticked - mean that 151,797 of those have the keyword horizontal, but 611,103 do not. And those did not appear in the results for road horizontal. There's our answer. Which also means this filter works slightly different from the white background one that was mentioned here some time ago. wim edit: italics edit2: looking over my answer, I now see the stupidity of the filter that does not include panoramas in the results for the landscape box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Endicott Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 I don't. My philosophy is that my images are big enough they can be cropped any way the customer wants - square, vertical, horizontal, whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Betty LaRue Posted May 22, 2014 Author Share Posted May 22, 2014 I use portrait and landscape as keywords, but portrait only if I have a closeup of a living thing, usually a person, but a horse, cat or dog will do if it is not in action and standing or sitting pretty. I use landscape only if it is an image of an expanse of land, mountains or something like that. I would think a landscape could also include that expanse of land in a vertical orientation, especially if taken with a wide angle lens. Maybe I've been doing it all wrong. But if I don't need to type vertical and horizontal, it would be nice. Betty Edited to add: I just ran a search on only the word "horizontal". I got 4,594,361 results. The images are horizontal in orientation. When I typed in vertical, I got 3,153,511 correct results. There were an odd image here and there, like a vertical in the horizontal search and same for the other. One image had a horizontal striped pattern but in a vertical orientation. Allowing for mistakes, which I've caught myself making when I copy keywords from one image to another similar image but different orientation, I think more people use those keywords than you might think. Whether they need to is the question. Now I'm off to check portrait and landscape. I'll leave the esoteric tests to you guys who know what you are doing, lol! I clearly don't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty LaRue Posted May 22, 2014 Author Share Posted May 22, 2014 Clients use it too. Probably some clients use portrait and landscape. Maybe only the first time ;-) (How many clients know the meaning of portrait and landscape? Why not include horizontal and vertical?) When I search for road horizontal (actual search) I get: road horizontal :151,797 Results road horizontal - with landscape box ticked: 143,777 Results road - with landscape box ticked: 762,900 Results From that I read: 151,797 have both keywords, but only 143,777 are really horizontal. Or some are not being recognized as such by the engine. That's easy to test: 4681 portraits 1034 squares 2305 pano 143777 landscape makes 151797 total. No image left behind. Now the 762,900 for road - with landscape box ticked - mean that 151,797 of those have the keyword horizontal, but 611,103 do not. And those did not appear in the results for road horizontal. There's our answer. Which also means this filter works slightly different from the white background one that was mentioned here some time ago. wim edit: italics edit2: looking over my answer, I now see the stupidity of the filter that does not include panoramas in the results for the landscape box. when I searched farm horizontal, I got fewer results (by a lot) than when I searched farm. So I would think using horizontal as a keyword would help your image be seen with less competition when searched by people who use horizontal as a keyword, but don't use the advanced search and tick the box. It might not be a significant advantage. I would like to know the percentages of how searchers do it one way or the other, but have no clue. Probably most experienced searchers do use the advanced search. When I searched landscape, I did, as I thought I would, get verticals, horizontals, and squares, all of land. When I searched "portrait", I got portraits of people and animals, but in different orientations also. B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dov makabaw Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 I systematically keyword horizontal landscape vertical portrait on all my images using the bulk feature. Tales seconds. I then delete individually as appropriate. Having checked the frequency of use of horizontal and vertical over the last 12 months it has probably been a waste of time, about 60 times for each. dov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 After reading the foregoing while being "upright" I feel I must "lie down" now. Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty LaRue Posted May 22, 2014 Author Share Posted May 22, 2014 After reading the foregoing while being "upright" I feel I must "lie down" now. Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 After reading the foregoing while being "upright" I feel I must "lie down" now. Allan Allan, that's a rather "oblique" answer to Betty's question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokie Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 After reading the foregoing while being "upright" I feel I must "lie down" now. Allan Allan, that's a rather "oblique" answer to Betty's question. Certainly a different slant on things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 After reading the foregoing while being "upright" I feel I must "lie down" now. Allan Allan, that's a rather "oblique" answer to Betty's question. Certainly a different slant on things At least I did not go off at a tangent. Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty LaRue Posted May 25, 2014 Author Share Posted May 25, 2014 You guys are so sharp I need to sand you down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 After reading the foregoing while being "upright" I feel I must "lie down" now. Allan Allan, that's a rather "oblique" answer to Betty's question. Yes, for is Allan prone or supine? (or prone to be supine?) - Ann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 After reading the foregoing while being "upright" I feel I must "lie down" now. Allan Allan, that's a rather "oblique" answer to Betty's question. Yes, for is Allan prone or supine? (or prone to be supine?) - Ann Actually Ann I am an upright citizen. Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 After reading the foregoing while being "upright" I feel I must "lie down" now. Allan Allan, that's a rather "oblique" answer to Betty's question. Yes, for is Allan prone or supine? (or prone to be supine?) - Ann Actually Ann I am an upright citizen. Allan With no obvious political leanings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyn Llun Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 After reading the foregoing while being "upright" I feel I must "lie down" now. Allan Allan, that's a rather "oblique" answer to Betty's question. Yes, for is Allan prone or supine? (or prone to be supine?) - Ann Actually Ann I am an upright citizen. Allan With no obvious political leanings? Unlike me who leans so far to the left I am almost horizontal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 After reading the foregoing while being "upright" I feel I must "lie down" now. Allan Allan, that's a rather "oblique" answer to Betty's question. Yes, for is Allan prone or supine? (or prone to be supine?) - Ann Actually Ann I am an upright citizen. Allan With no obvious political leanings? No polical leanings, middle of the road, "straight up" Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jansos Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 And so the consensus is not to bother to keyword vertical and horizontal - Is that right? Does seem a bit daft when the software must be able to detect the orientation. I'm going to stop doing it. Should save some precious nano seconds of time! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty LaRue Posted October 18, 2016 Author Share Posted October 18, 2016 Yeah, I quit after starting this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jansos Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Yeah, I quit after starting this thread. Cheers Betty - :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Morgan Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 I did a search on AoA for %vertical%. There were 25 pages over the past year. 7 sales, lots of zooms. I picked a sample one: panthera leo female vertical. That brings up 477 results. If you search panthera leo female and use the portrait filter, it brings up 1542 images. So 477 had the word vertical in their keywords, the rest did not. So there were over 1,000 images the buyer did not see as he didn't use the filter. I think I may go in and slowly start adding vertical and horizontal to relevant images. Jill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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