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Hi,

For outdoor or indoor editorial images, how often do you use flash? Is it always if it benefits an image? never? only to fill when people are in the image? I think I would really benefit from this as it often make the images pop, and now thinking if I should invest.

If you do use it for editorial content, what is your preferred technique?

 

Thank you.

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Now and again. It can lift an image taken in dull conditions. I'll often try both ways and decide later, or not. But not often for people- I don''t photograph them much. Drinks and food, mostly, probably.

Here's one with/without. They both have their place, I think. The Daily Telegraph would go for the first one, CAMRA for the second. It's the pop-up flash on the A58, set to fill mode with power reduced.

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Or this one, taken in open shade. Mmm griebenschmalz.

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I would say that I use some sort of fill about 80% of the time and have for decades.

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It really depends on the environment. If photographing say food at home will often use fill and bounce from Canon 580; also have a collection of desk lamps with daylight bulbs for still lifes. Outside, if not a press event, I generally don't want to bring attention to myself so will rely on the latitude of the sensor for post processing. Very rarely use my studio lights these days. Will occasionally use a pop up camera flash if necessary. When I used to shoot weddings etc. fill flash was used alot more but don't do social stuff now.

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I'm thinking people here and any image could be editorial so I am talking generally. As Joe says, flash draws attention and makes people self-conscious. It is also easy to overdo it where the subject looks like a cutout. A reflector can look a lot more natural as the colour of the fill and ambient light should be the same.  However, I find that the radial filter in Lightroom/ACR can work magic on adding light back into shadowy faces if shooting backlit. This allows me to avoid using fill flash in a lot of cases and is very quick in post-processing even sometimes on multiple images. I have become quite adept with this in fact. However, it doesn't add catchlights in the eyes which would mean a Photoshop job so ok for one or two pics but not for a big batch if catchlights are important.

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24/7/364.

Except when it might disturb.

Bought $1.99 pop-up flash diffuser like this for RX10-IV;

Then clipped partial Styrofoam cup in front to eliminate (always-on lens hood) shadow:

(yes, flash intensity reduced, but...)

 

(taken quickly with smartphone camera)

 

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4 hours ago, JeffGreenberg said:

24/7/364.

Except when it might disturb.

Bought $1.99 pop-up flash diffuser like this for RX10-IV;

Then clipped partial Styrofoam cup in front to eliminate (always-on lens hood) shadow:

(yes, flash intensity reduced, but...)

 

(taken quickly with smartphone camera)

 

PopUpFlashDiffuser.jpg

 

Jeff thank you for an amazing insight. I admire your portfolio (who doesnt) but i noticed there is a large portion of your images which i would be uncomfortable taking. People doing things, looking into the camera, clearly aware of you taking pictures. How do you do this? Do you talk to them before and explain that you will be taking images and ask for permission? Or just shoot and deal with reactions as they come? What do you say if you get challanged? I imagine rarely who would react positively to knowing these will become stock images... Any tips welcomed ;)

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4 hours ago, Pietrach said:

a. I admire your portfolio

b. How do you do this?

c. What do you say if you get challenged?

 

a. thanks, they are all unreleased editorial
 
b. confused why you, a frequent LiveNews contrib with many images
showing people in public places would be asking newbie-like questions
involving freedom of press in democratic countries???!
 
c. sorry (& move on)
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I seldom use fill flash, but I wouldn't mind having a diffuser for the pop-up flash on my Sony a6000. Does anyone know of an expensive one?

 

I found these. However, I'm not sure what I'd do with the coloured diffusers.

 

Not sure about the styrofoam coffee cup look. B)

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When shooting people outdoors, 100% of the time I'll drop in fill flash, unless I'm doing newsy street type stuff:

Schull, West Cork, Ireland. 6th Oct, 2018.  On a beautiful day in West Cork, Association members pose for a group photo. Today's activities culminate this evening in a dinner dance at the Schull Harbour Hotel. Credit: Andy Gibson/Alamy Live News. Stock Photo

 

Macroom, West Cork, Ireland. 8th Oct, 2018. Garda Superintendent Michael Fitzpatrick from Macroom Garda Station give a press conference at the scene of a fatal stabbing in Dan Corkery Place, Macroom. The State Pathologist is due on the scene at 4pm today. Credit: Andy Gibson/Alamy Live News. Stock Photo

 

Schull, West Cork, Ireland. 7th Aug, 2018. A local fisherman moves bait from the pier to his boat in preparation for a day's crab fishing.  The day will be dry and cloudy with highs of 16° Celsius. Credit: Andy Gibson/Alamy Live News. Stock Photo

 

Ballydehob, Ireland. 5th May, 2018. Leading the annual Ballydehob Jazz Festival Funeral as the Funeral Director is Chris Harm from Cork.  The Jazz Festival continues until Monday night culminating in a festival closing party. Credit: Andy Gibson/Alamy Live News Stock Photo

 

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I use much less than in the film era ... the software can lift that shadow detail

 

But for news of people, which is occasionally, it helps is well balanced

 

 

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I can do what Mark did with his beer and fill flash by using the V2 tool in the Nik collection. It's very quick, and I'd rather do that than carry the extra gear. Back in the day with film, I used fill flash, bounce flash, diffused flash, and when needed a 4-head setup with strobes and umbrellas on two heads. I see no need for this with digital. I do it all in PP.

 

Jeff, my guess is that by using more pro-looking gizmos you make your subjects feel that you are doing something more important than having them pose for yet another snapshot.

 

Edo

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1 hour ago, John Morrison said:

Used a smidgin of fill-in flash today, diffused through a tissue...

 

Hope you weren't using flashbulbs. I used to sometimes use a hankie and a rubber band. Doesn't work too well with a small popup flash, though.

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Edo, I am seeing your images from Portugal!!! On your way....

 

Paulette

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10 minutes ago, NYCat said:

Edo, I am seeing your images from Portugal!!! On your way....

 

Paulette

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I'm in Seville now, ladies. I was two days in Lisbon. I've been ill from jet lag. As soon as I form some opinions I'll be doing a post here. 

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