Ed Rooney Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Maybe to turn this into this PP wouldn't have put the catchlight on the boiler. It's surprising how far those little pop-ups will reach. Otherwise not much. Mark, I just borrowed your top photo, took it into NX2, opened the shadows, balanced the contrast, and deepened the saturation. It's very easy to get these effects in PP. Doing it in LR is just as easy. I planned to drop my edited version in here, but that wasn't so easy. I don't have a Website, so I thought I would put it in my blog temporally. For one tech reason or another, I wasn't able to do that. There are lot's of ways to skin a cat. If any of you want to use flash on a regular basis, do that. I have no need to, and when I switched to the smaller, lighter cameras, I decided not to carry a lot of extra support gear with me. That little popup thingie on my RX100/3? I would feel a bit embarrassed to use it with people . . . and it would surely effect my magical ability to make myself invisible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Robinson Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Not much, but I've used it a bit recently for inside/outside photos where the difference between light and dark is simply too great I used to do the same when shooting film. Now I tend to just open up the shadow areas in post-processing. You got some pleasing results there. Perhaps I should get back to using flash more often in situations like this... Photoshopping has its limits - even if there is a bit of detail there in the shadows, making it look natural and matching the feel / quality of the rest of the photo can be difficult / impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I like your image, Phil, but I'm in total disagreement with your premise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broad Norfolk Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I never use flash for stock and only go as far as using a reflector for close work. Not really that workable with my 'scape stuff. I do use flash in the studio, but that work is not stock. Jim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeRay Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Yep, still use flash a great deal for my non-stock work. Metz 45-CT 4 and dedicated SCA adaptor for my Rolleiflex MF SLR. I shot a wedding on the beach a few days back. Middle of the day, harsh direct overhead sun. I'd have died without flash (fill in). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 Not much, but I've used it a bit recently for inside/outside photos where the difference between light and dark is simply too great I used to do the same when shooting film. Now I tend to just open up the shadow areas in post-processing. You got some pleasing results there. Perhaps I should get back to using flash more often in situations like this... Photoshopping has its limits - even if there is a bit of detail there in the shadows, making it look natural and matching the feel / quality of the rest of the photo can be difficult / impossible. Exposing hidden noise is the main difficulty that I've run into when opening up deep shadows in images where there is a very high dynamic range. Really nice composition BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Robinson Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Not much, but I've used it a bit recently for inside/outside photos where the difference between light and dark is simply too great I used to do the same when shooting film. Now I tend to just open up the shadow areas in post-processing. You got some pleasing results there. Perhaps I should get back to using flash more often in situations like this... Photoshopping has its limits - even if there is a bit of detail there in the shadows, making it look natural and matching the feel / quality of the rest of the photo can be difficult / impossible. Exposing hidden noise is the main difficulty that I've run into when opening up deep shadows in images where there is a very high dynamic range. Really nice composition BTW. 'Correct' exposure is a lot less important than in the days of film, but there are still limits to what you can do digitally if things are simply too dark or light. Thanks for the comment John. I had walked under there dozens of times but it wasn't until I saw the BBC trailer for 'SS - GB' recently that I realised I should stop and get a photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John Mitchell Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 Not much, but I've used it a bit recently for inside/outside photos where the difference between light and dark is simply too great I used to do the same when shooting film. Now I tend to just open up the shadow areas in post-processing. You got some pleasing results there. Perhaps I should get back to using flash more often in situations like this... Photoshopping has its limits - even if there is a bit of detail there in the shadows, making it look natural and matching the feel / quality of the rest of the photo can be difficult / impossible. Exposing hidden noise is the main difficulty that I've run into when opening up deep shadows in images where there is a very high dynamic range. Really nice composition BTW. 'Correct' exposure is a lot less important than in the days of film, but there are still limits to what you can do digitally if things are simply too dark or light. Thanks for the comment John. I had walked under there dozens of times but it wasn't until I saw the BBC trailer for 'SS - GB' recently that I realised I should stop and get a photo. Sometimes old ways are the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbimages Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Underwater photography = yes x 2 flashes all the time. A Canon 580EX in a Subal housing giving ETTL + an Inon 240 on manual. Same here, except I use twin Inon s2000, great little strobes for travelling with. Pretty much the only time i use flash is underwater Ed, I have 2 x Inons, but prefer the ETTL provided by the 580ex, it also gives me F32 for tiny macro. Unfortunately, my underwater gear is not small or light to travel with. Thankfully my husband is a happy Sherpa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert M Estall Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 I'm pleasantly surprised what that little flash on my Pentax K-5 can manage as a fill. But I still hate the clumsy look of on-camera flash. A little fill or a bit of reflection is a lot safer than hoping to save the shot with post processing. I still have a box of M3 bulbs (YES, BULBS!) which I used to use in the days of film when a bulb had the power to balance an interior with hard Mediterranean light doing hotel room shots. It would have taken a really heavy duty battery flash to get anywhere near the light level. A Metz 45 wouldn't come anywhere near it. A pocketful of bulbs weighed nothing compared to a powerful over-the-shoulder battery powered strobe. Scorched a few fingers though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 In my MoD days we used lightbulb- sized blue no. 1s 48 at a time for high-speed ciné. They cost a pound or two then but I now see them listed at $20 a pop, which I imagine they did, but we never heard them as they were the other side of a 3' thick concrete wall. The sound of the 120mm. tank gun firing probably drowned it out a bit as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Robinson Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 I like your image, Phil, but I'm in total disagreement with your premise. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travelshots Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Flash ! strobe 5000 and lights which my wife says must go........but I keep hanging onto it in case the phone rings... seriously if anybody needs studio lights....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted April 2, 2017 Author Share Posted April 2, 2017 Maybe to turn this into this PP wouldn't have put the catchlight on the boiler. It's surprising how far those little pop-ups will reach. Otherwise not much. Mark, I just borrowed your top photo, took it into NX2, opened the shadows, balanced the contrast, and deepened the saturation. It's very easy to get these effects in PP. Doing it in LR is just as easy. I planned to drop my edited version in here, but that wasn't so easy. I don't have a Website, so I thought I would put it in my blog temporally. For one tech reason or another, I wasn't able to do that. There are lot's of ways to skin a cat. If any of you want to use flash on a regular basis, do that. I have no need to, and when I switched to the smaller, lighter cameras, I decided not to carry a lot of extra support gear with me. That little popup thingie on my RX100/3? I would feel a bit embarrassed to use it with people . . . and it would surely effect my magical ability to make myself invisible. I no longer want to lug around a lot of cumbersome stuff either. Yes, it's amazing what those little popup flashes can do in a pinch. I used a popup to lighten up the flowers here: Popups can come in handy in dark museums as well: I used the popup here too, the chef was in deep shadow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlessandraRC Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Richmond Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Yes. For fill and for macro. Sometimes with a flash on the hotshoe (fill) or on a bracket with a softbox for macro. I'll also use a flash on a cord or wireless to fill in a dark shadow area in the foreground of a landscape (gardenscape) shot. But for those I'm leaning more to HDR merging in Lightroom - now I've got a faster computer that can handle the processing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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