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Hi all and Alamy,

we may sometimes mistakenly submit one or two images that are not upto Alamy standard in a batch of hundreds (as I did). If you know you are gonna fail QC but you can't delete or cancel the submitted images other than wait for failure (you already know the reason yourself). Wouldn't it be nice if there is a Cancel Submission button with every batch or submission? we don't want to harm qc history, and it would also save reviewers' time in case unintentional mistake is made with submitting.

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Sorry but I disagree. 

If I upload an image, I have checked it and do not want to give it a second thought after upload.

All my pictures passed QC so far (but I am only one month with Alamy). 

Also I have uploaded pictures, that believed were at risk to fail - still I thought the pictures worth to share. 

I always annotate these with the possible issues they have, i.e. soft focus, visible high ISO, ...
With that, Alamy's client can make an informed decision that is if they read the caption. 
 
If the batch would fail, I'd knew instantly why. 
 
Example: Soft Focus
soft-focus-portrait-of-asian-woman-looki
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you are right and your images are beautiful. I am talking about mistakenly submitting. If I select 100 images from a pool of 250 images, i can mistakenly upload 99 good + 1bad which i know after submitting then what? 99 good images are at a risk to fail and my qc history would be harmed.

 

about annotation - if they reject your images for lots of noise, blur, soft focus, lacking definition how could you annotate it?? in the example image of yours the main subject which you want to portray is in focus, other things matter less.

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If you check every image 100% then you won't make any mistakes. If you select 100 images from a pool of 250 you need to check that every one meets the QC standard.

So a delete submission button is not required. We just need to make our workflow watertight and consistent for every single image we submit. 

 

Regards

Craig

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Also I have uploaded pictures, that believed were at risk to fail - still I thought the pictures worth to share. 

I always annotate these with the possible issues they have, i.e. soft focus, visible high ISO, ...
With that, Alamy's client can make an informed decision that is if they read the caption. 
 
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You may have been lucky...

 

From many earlier threads and shared exchanges with member services over many years: QC DO NOT read captions or other annotations. The rules have been clarified and the QC reviewers need the SoLD etc to be obvious even in the preview size and not just the full size image. There was a discussion about it in the thread on downsizing.

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If you check every image 100% then you won't make any mistakes. If you select 100 images from a pool of 250 you need to check that every one meets the QC standard.

So a delete submission button is not required. We just need to make our workflow watertight and consistent for every single image we submit. 

 

Regards

Craig

news images can be shot with 2.7MP (5MB uncompressed) camera and doesn't go the stock route of qc. but if anything is wrong (by mistake, of course) like caption, description or blank keyword field or date of the photo or some kind of IPTC error, they move the image to stock qc and they are sure to fail there.

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I did it once. Uploaded a jpg I didn't mean to and realized it just after that image had finished uploading. You can delete images from the upload queue if they haven't been uploaded yet, but once finished, you are sunk.

 

I emailed member services about the accidental upload of the image (it was of a friend's horse I had taken at the fair) but they told me it was too late. They could not do anything about it. Out of focus at 100%, but fine for my friend. I simply uploaded all the jpgs from the file, forgetting I had one jpg in there that wasn't for Alamy.

 

Luckily it obviously was not one of the selected images to check, passed QC and then I deleted it in Manage Images.

 

So yeah, maybe a button wouldn't hurt.

 

Jill

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If you check every image 100% then you won't make any mistakes. If you select 100 images from a pool of 250 you need to check that every one meets the QC standard.

So a delete submission button is not required. We just need to make our workflow watertight and consistent for every single image we submit. 

 

Regards

Craig

news images can be shot with 2.7MP (5MB uncompressed) camera and doesn't go the stock route of qc. but if anything is wrong (by mistake, of course) like caption, description or blank keyword field or date of the photo or some kind of IPTC error, they move the image to stock qc and they are sure to fail there.

 

 

You did not mention news upload in your post?

Don't think mistakes,think positive and get it right.

 

Regards

Craig

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I did it once. Uploaded a jpg I didn't mean to and realized it just after that image had finished uploading. You can delete images from the upload queue if they haven't been uploaded yet, but once finished, you are sunk.

 

I emailed member services about the accidental upload of the image (it was of a friend's horse I had taken at the fair) but they told me it was too late. They could not do anything about it. Out of focus at 100%, but fine for my friend. I simply uploaded all the jpgs from the file, forgetting I had one jpg in there that wasn't for Alamy.

 

Luckily it obviously was not one of the selected images to check, passed QC and then I deleted it in Manage Images.

 

So yeah, maybe a button wouldn't hurt.

 

Jill

yes...exactly!! who need it, will use it...otherwise let it be there just in case...

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If you check every image 100% then you won't make any mistakes. If you select 100 images from a pool of 250 you need to check that every one meets the QC standard.

So a delete submission button is not required. We just need to make our workflow watertight and consistent for every single image we submit. 

 

Regards

Craig

news images can be shot with 2.7MP (5MB uncompressed) camera and doesn't go the stock route of qc. but if anything is wrong (by mistake, of course) like caption, description or blank keyword field or date of the photo or some kind of IPTC error, they move the image to stock qc and they are sure to fail there.

 

 

You did not mention news upload in your post?

Don't think mistakes,think positive and get it right.

 

Regards

Craig

 

i always check my images at least at 100%....not thinking about mistake, i uploaded some news images just didn't realise the dates were older and they moved my images to stock from news but they passed qc.. and i went on thinking just in case...!!!

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you are right and your images are beautiful. I am talking about mistakenly submitting. If I select 100 images from a pool of 250 images, i can mistakenly upload 99 good + 1bad which i know after submitting then what? 99 good images are at a risk to fail and my qc history would be harmed.

 

about annotation - if they reject your images for lots of noise, blur, soft focus, lacking definition how could you annotate it?? in the example image of yours the main subject which you want to portray is in focus, other things matter less.

 

I gave it a thought, and it may be the "work queue" I use, that avoids me uploading anything I do not want to upload. 

First I copy all pictures that I would like to upload in a separate folder.

Second, each and every image is checked at 100%. 

During the second step

    - I delete every image from that folder that I deem not suitable

    - also I may edit pictures to remove anything that looks like dust.

Third all pictures in that directory get uploaded.

Last I rename the folder to the Alamy "Media Ref." - the one starting OL+<number>  that all pictures share - to have a later reference. 

 

I believe that way, no picture can slip through, unless I consciously decide so - and also accept the risk of a QC fail.

 

Looking at the picture above at 100% it is really in soft focus (like using a diffuser filter), but not quite out of focus.

Also when comparing it to the tack sharp picture of the same woman in Alamy preview, the softness becomes more obvious:

Crisp  Soft

 

Last but not least - thank you very much for the compliment on my pictures! 

I really liked your macro shots - which makes me want to buy a macro lens again. 

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I gave it a thought, and it may be the "work queue" I use, that avoids me uploading anything I do not want to upload. 

First I copy all pictures that I would like to upload in a separate folder.

Second, each and every image is checked at 100%. 

During the second step

    - I delete every image from that folder that I deem not suitable

    - also I may edit pictures to remove anything that looks like dust.

Third all pictures in that directory get uploaded.

Last I rename the folder to the Alamy "Media Ref." - the one starting OL+<number>  that all pictures share - to have a later reference. 

 

I believe that way, no picture can slip through, unless I consciously decide so - and also accept the risk of a QC fail.

 

Looking at the picture above at 100% it is really in soft focus (like using a diffuser filter), but not quite out of focus.

Also when comparing it to the tack sharp picture of the same woman in Alamy preview, the softness becomes more obvious:

Crisp  Soft

 

Last but not least - thank you very much for the compliment on my pictures! 

I really liked your macro shots - which makes me want to buy a macro lens again. 

 

thank you. yes macro is interesting. love insects buts its very hard to find their common and scientific name for me..if you don't mind a little suggestion for keywording animal and plant photos you also write their common name and scientific name too for the increased chance of exposure, like that of your Baboon, Sea Lion photos...your wasp photo (i doubt it is a wasp either hoverfly or a bee, don't know for sure) has only four keyword...and your Sea Lion photo doesn't have the word "sea" with it. I try to annotate a photo with at least 10-15 essential words. 

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Yep, I need to work on my keywording, nature is not my favorite topic. I prefer people, architecture and generally still subjects.

It costs me a lot of effort to finding the right keywords for animals and plants.

Also, some photos keyworded in a haste, as I have only been with Alamy for a month and have 700 odd pictures uploaded so far.

 

I believe the "wasp" is not a wasp but neither a (bumble)bee.

And to be honest I have no clue as to what it is.

I caught that by chance and in flight while playing with my daughters macro.  

 

 wasp-in-flight-f6tb52.jpg

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When I first uploaded my "4 trial" images as a new contributor to Alamy, I manged to upload them 5 or 6 times. This was because I did the upload and then didn't see anything in the 'Track Submissions' page so assumed that I had done something wrong and so tried again (and again and again). They only appeared in 'Track Submissions' a day later (it transpired that Alamy did have a glitch in the matrix at the time). At the time, I emailed Memeber Services who said they would ask the QC team to ignore the duplicate submissions... but QC still failed by submission because I had 'uploaded too many images'. It took another email to member services to get the situation resolved. Had I had a button to cancel submissions, it might have helped.

 

So I guess there are occasionally technical reasons/glitches in the upload process which might make you question what you've uploaded and wish to cancel a submission so that you can simply try again.

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I think it's a good idea to have such a button available. Of course I check my images at 100%, but sometimes I realise afterwards that they aren't quite right. Maybe I'm in a rush, or maybe it's a case of staring at it too long in Lightroom, or maybe I've just made a mistake and uploaded the wrong batch (I've never actually done that but we're all human and mistakes happen). Often after spending a while doing a difficult edit, I'll think I've made it look very good, but if I go back in an hour I get a shock! It's totally human and nothing to do with not checking things properly. I'm not sure why some are against having the option, as you wouldn't have to use it if it was there.

 

Geoff.

 

Fair point, and I would definitely not mind if a button was there and I can see leggit use for such a button. 

The main reason i voted against; I see a risk that I could become sloppy checking, if I had that safety net. 

Also somebody could have started reviewing the picture, then after deletion precious resource was wasted with unnecessary work.  

Without the button it forces me (and maybe others) to pay attention before upload, because the upload is final. 

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news images can be shot with 2.7MP (5MB uncompressed) camera and doesn't go the stock route of qc. but if anything is wrong (by mistake, of course) like caption, description or blank keyword field or date of the photo or some kind of IPTC error, they move the image to stock qc and they are sure to fail there.

 

 

Alamy Live News images aren't removed because of caption, keywords, etc. The news team will often edit captions and the photographer can edit in Manage Images. News images are removed if the news team feels they aren't newsworthy or have obvious flaws.

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news images can be shot with 2.7MP (5MB uncompressed) camera and doesn't go the stock route of qc. but if anything is wrong (by mistake, of course) like caption, description or blank keyword field or date of the photo or some kind of IPTC error, they move the image to stock qc and they are sure to fail there.

 

 

Alamy Live News images aren't removed because of caption, keywords, etc. The news team will often edit captions and the photographer can edit in Manage Images. News images are removed if the news team feels they aren't newsworthy or have obvious flaws.

 

maybe. but what if there are no caption, no keywords. do they caption and keyword your images then?

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maybe. but what if there are no caption, no keywords. do they caption and keyword your images then?

 

 

 

Obviously if there's no caption the news team can't guess what the photo is of. If you upload at night, or on a weekend, you should still have some time to correct the error, but ideally you should caption images before you upload them.

 

Photographers are responsible for captioning and keywording Live News Photos just like any other photos submitted to Alamy. The News people will sometimes edit captions, ask for more information, or clean up the feed if photos from the same shoot appear in more than one stack.

 

I've noticed sometimes they'll change my caption from "New York, NY" to "New York, USA" and add the Alamy Live News credit at the end of the caption, but photographers still have to add keywords and set attributes in Manage Images. Otherwise the images may not be searchable once they enter the general stock search.

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Yep, I need to work on my keywording, nature is not my favorite topic. I prefer people, architecture and generally still subjects.

It costs me a lot of effort to finding the right keywords for animals and plants.

Also, some photos keyworded in a haste, as I have only been with Alamy for a month and have 700 odd pictures uploaded so far.

 

I believe the "wasp" is not a wasp but neither a (bumble)bee.

And to be honest I have no clue as to what it is.

I caught that by chance and in flight while playing with my daughters macro.  

 

 wasp-in-flight-f6tb52.jpg

It's a male hoverfly.  Specifically the marmalade hoverfly, Episyrphus balteatus.

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Yep, I need to work on my keywording, nature is not my favorite topic. I prefer people, architecture and generally still subjects.

It costs me a lot of effort to finding the right keywords for animals and plants.

Also, some photos keyworded in a haste, as I have only been with Alamy for a month and have 700 odd pictures uploaded so far.

 

I believe the "wasp" is not a wasp but neither a (bumble)bee.

And to be honest I have no clue as to what it is.

I caught that by chance and in flight while playing with my daughters macro.  

 

.....

It's a male hoverfly.  Specifically the marmalade hoverfly, Episyrphus balteatus.

 

 

Great, thank you very much John.

I have key-worded this instantaneously. 

Merry Chistmas! 

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Hi all and Alamy,

we may sometimes mistakenly submit one or two images that are not upto Alamy standard in a batch of hundreds (as I did). If you know you are gonna fail QC but you can't delete or cancel the submitted images other than wait for failure (you already know the reason yourself). Wouldn't it be nice if there is a Cancel Submission button with every batch or submission? we don't want to harm qc history, and it would also save reviewers' time in case unintentional mistake is made with submitting.

 

 

Coming back to the original idea, I wouldn't mind having a delete option for a batch.

 

Mainly because recently while uploading a batch of images the upload will often stall indefinitely. Sometimes a few images will have been uploaded, but either the plug-in (or browser) crashes  or you have to terminate the upload because it will never complete.

 

Such failed/partial batches would be good candidates for deletion, so you can upload all images from that batch again without having to cull all the doubles/triples (-;

 

 

 

Additionally there can be numerous other reasons why you in hindsight would want to pull back an entire batch already submitted.

A delete button for images still waiting for QC would be handy

 

It would by the way be helpful to - also -  be able to see which files are the batches still in the QC queue (once past QC, that info/file names is visible)

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Additionally there can be numerous other reasons why you in hindsight would want to pull back an entire batch already submitted.

A delete button for images still waiting for QC would be handy

 

It would by the way be helpful to - also -  be able to see which files are the batches still in the QC queue (once past QC, that info/file names is visible)

 

well to make my point in a rather silly way, this morning accidentally I uploaded a few unedited and unsuitable images that I had misplaced in my alamy upload folder.  )-:

 

Yesterday all day I was unable to upload the 45 files I had prepared of the City of Leiden, the upload stalling after 1, 3 or zero images. So very early this morning I decided to give it another go. I opened the folder, selected all images and started uploading. After changing folder view to thumbnails, I noticed some totally unrelated images in that folder too, that were never meant for anything other than the waste bin.

 

As soon as I  noticed, I aborted the upload, cleared the files and started uploading the 45 relevant ones. The whole batch contains 53 images though, so there are 8 faulty ones in there. I don't even know which ones to be honest.

 

Of course if the batch miraculously (yet unlikely) makes it through QC, I can simply delete those 'tresspassers', but it would be tremendously helpful if a batch is faulty or for whatever other reason needs to be cancelled, this can still be done by the contributor while the review process is still pending.

 

 

Anyway, I hadn't actively planned to make this point is such a bumbling fashion, but hey, it was early LOL

 

 

 

PS: the uploading problem, mentioned yesterday by me here (and basically the reason I had to try so many times to upload these images)

http://discussion.alamy.com/index.php?/topic/5115-upload-problem/#entry86680

seem to have been solved. I will chek out the FTP server though.

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It occurs to me that if the upload process were to be made provisional in some way then QC would have to be slowed down. At least making it final encourages great care in checking.

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