Rico Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 I am having an issue with searching some of my Calgary Carifest images using Chrome or Firefox. Edge is working fine though. Could someone please search image #s PGHDPM or 2J2PKK2 (there are others besides these 2) using those two browsers? Also, using the search term Calgary Carifest I get: Chrome - 13 images, Firefox - 13 and Edge - 59 images. I am in touch with Alamy IT, but I'm curious to know if this is just me or if everyone is getting the same results. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gvallee Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Using Chrome 1. I see the 2 images by ID 2. I get 59 for Calgary Carifest Sorry I'm on my tablet, can't use other search engines. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Using FF Do not see any of the two you quoted by ref. 13 images seen using Calgary Carifest. I had a similar problem some time ago when one of my images did not show using FF but showed on other browser. Contacted Alamy and they were looking into it but never resolved. Allan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorilla Dave Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Firefox on Windows 7 can see both images and 59 Calgary Carifest GD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Kirby Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 On FF PGHDPM - 1 Image 2J2PKK2 - 1 Image Calgary Carifest 59 images Nigel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Harrison Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rico said: Could someone please search image #s PGHDPM or 2J2PKK2 For me in both Firefox and Chrome on an Imac they come up if you are logged in but not if you are logged out. I've noticed this before and posted it on here, in my case it was searching for images of the village 'Brightwell cum Sotwell' where for some reason the word 'Sotwell' was the culprit, the casual user searching on Alamy will find only 1 image so will go elsewhere. If they had an account and were logged in they would find 92. (I don't think this helped with Allan's image though) https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/16648-search-results-different-if-not-logged-in/#comment-337973 Edited June 20, 2023 by Harry Harrison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Harrison Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Rico said: Calgary Carifest 59 images when logged in, 13 if logged out or without an account. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Harrison Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Actually it does seem to be behind the problem with Allan's image 2M7MDWK https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/16361-problem-with-mozilla-firefox-browser-on-my-mac/#comment-332414 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 Thanks everyone! It looks like you have to be logged in on Firefox and Chrome but not on Edge. It's a bit strange, but it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Harrison Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Rico said: It looks like you have to be logged in on Firefox and Chrome but not on Edge. It's a bit strange, but it is what it is. Well, hopefully the IT Team won't dismiss it quite so lightly, it seems like a significant problem with the way the search engine interacts with different browsers to me as there is no logical reason for them to design it to work that way, it seems that they weren't able to work it out for themselves either. As you can see from the results above, and your own, not everyone will be logged in to their account, or even be aware whether they are or not, so will not realise that their search results are being affected in this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 Yes, I am forwarding this link to Alamy IT right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) The funny thing is that I was able to search other ID#s and get results, without the login, just not on some of the Carifest ones. Edit. I probably was logged in on Edge all along because its the browser I use for sales, image manager etc. Edited June 20, 2023 by Rico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Harrison Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, Rico said: Yes, I am forwarding this link to Alamy IT right now Great, thanks, otherwise I would have done so myself because your post brought a lot of strands together. I didn't think I had enough to go on with my 'Sotwell' example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskerke Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 FF logged in: 59 images; PGHDPM or 2J2PKK2 both showing. FF logged out: 13 images; PGHDPM or 2J2PKK2 not showing. Chrome not logged in: 13 images; PGHDPM or 2J2PKK2 not showing. Edge not logged in: 13 images; PGHDPM or 2J2PKK2 not showing. all on Windows Anybody remembers Dieselgate? wim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Harrison Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Rico said: The funny thing is that I was able to search other ID#s and get results, without the login, just not on some of the Carifest ones Yes, it appears to be almost random (why 'sotwell' for example) but searching for practically anything seems to give different totals depending upon whether you are logged in or logged out. The novelty of doing so wears off pretty quickly though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKuzmin Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Harry Harrison said: not everyone will be logged in to their account, or even be aware whether they are or not, so will not realise that their search results are being affected in this way Interesting, after engine update a few months ago, the same behavior is present on another agency where I contribute(d). When I questioned, they responded that this was the expected /correct behavior. As I have almost no sales with them for a while, I just wish them good luck... Edited June 20, 2023 by IKuzmin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 4 hours ago, Harry Harrison said: I've noticed this before and posted it on here, in my case it was searching for images of the village 'Brightwell cum Sotwell' where for some reason the word 'Sotwell' was the culprit, the casual user searching on Alamy will find only 1 image so will go elsewhere. If they had an account and were logged in they would find 92. I'm seeing the same as others on Rico's images on Mac. I see all 59 when logged in and 13 when logged out (Safari and FIrefox on Mac). Similar with the ID images. Brightwell cum Sotwell - nothing when logged out and the lot when logged. Are you sure it wasn't the word "cum" that caused the problem? Perhaps some anti-porn thing. Maybe similar in Rico's case. The two images with IDs that don't show have quite a lot of female flesh showing. It can't be a browser setting for all those different browsers so maybe it is using a different search engine when logged in than when logged out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Actually my image in question had had the word "Unsuitable" or similar added to it's details and they thought that might be the problem. As I had not added that word or similar to my image when it was sent to Alamy I asked them to check into where the word could have been added. Nothing back to date. If Alamy do read this thread I hope they will take notice and email me with their findings. Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Harrison Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 48 minutes ago, MDM said: Maybe similar in Rico's case. The two images with IDs that don't show have quite a lot of female flesh showing. It can't be a browser setting for all those different browsers so maybe it is using a different search engine when logged in than when logged out. Oh dear, not AI I hope Michael. In my case it's the word 'Sotwell' so I think I'm in the clear but Allan's 'Unsuitable' warning on his Cosy Club image does suggest something of that nature. I wondered if it's MI5 because our ex Prime Minister has moved in to the village and is now often filmed by news teams jogging in and out of the long drive to his mansion, that must be great for the inhabitants. You make a good point though, on Twitter I was blocked from seeing a photo posted by the River and Rowing Museum in Henley because I hadn't bothered to enter my age in my profile (pre Elon when they cared about this sort of thing). I asked them what it was and they DM'd me a screenshot of their post. It was a completely innocuous little stone statue from their collection and there was nothing in the text at all to cause concern, however the appearance of the statue could have been mistaken for something else so I can only think that Twitter were using some kind of AI image recognition and protecting me in case I was a junior. Edited June 20, 2023 by Harry Harrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskerke Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) I have checked one of my smaller pseudo's as that's easier. Logged in: 546 images Logged out: 534. 12 images in 6 pages are not that difficult to identify. Here they are. Some are obvious candidates. But others? link link link link link link link link link link link link Like why this one: link but not this one: link wim edit: my guess is that you have to be logged in to Alamy's main site to see those 12 images above. If you only see the last one, you're not logged in. I think. Edited June 20, 2023 by wiskerke links added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Decio Molaro Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 directly from Brazil: Search: Calgary Carifest Google Chrome 59 results Same number in Microsoft Edge Firefox: 13 results Brazil is the largest internet user in Latin America It feels like I was in the Brazilian Canaval! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 12 minutes ago, Jose Decio Molaro said: directly from Brazil: Search: Calgary Carifest Google Chrome 59 results Same number in Microsoft Edge Firefox: 13 results Brazil is the largest internet user in Latin America It feels like I was in the Brazilian Canaval! The consensus here is that you have to be logged on to Alamy on any browser so you can see all photos. When IT gets back to me, I'll post the answer here. And yes, Carifest is a visual feast, just not as big as Rio's.😄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Harrison Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, wiskerke said: edit: my guess is that you have to be logged in to Alamy's main site to see those 12 images above. Interesting experiment, just for reference I could still see them all when logged out in Chrome on the main site and on the forum, at least in this post, haven't looked for them individually on the main site though I will do so just out of interest. There is a slight risqué theme going on there with some I suppose, but nothing illegal surely, and clearly some are entirely innocent. It's as if a half-witted visually challenged AI version of Mary Whitehouse was acting as the gatekeeper. (Sorry, very UK centric reference there, and a dated one at that.) Edited June 20, 2023 by Harry Harrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Harrison Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, wiskerke said: Here they are. Some are obvious candidates. But others? So I used this text string to find your 12 images, logged in and then logged out: CNAFM5 OR AE3NWP OR B6A76J OR B4ED8A OR B9YFFR OR BD38DY OR C48F7J OR C48F8D OR E17HDD OR CP2FPN OR GHXHN4 OR E8P5BG Just like you I got all 12 when logged in and 11 went missing once I had logged out leaving CNAFM5 - but in fact I also got AE56WJ "Buenos Aires tango dancers" in addition for both logged in and logged out searches. That makes no sense to me. Edited June 20, 2023 by Harry Harrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskerke Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Harry Harrison said: So I used this text string to find your 12 images, logged in and then logged out: CNAFM5 OR AE3NWP OR B6A76J OR B4ED8A OR B9YFFR OR BD38DY OR C48F7J OR C48F8D OR E17HDD OR CP2FPN OR GHXHN4 OR E8P5BG Just like you I got all 12 when logged in and 11 went missing once I had logged out leaving CNAFM5 - but in fact I also got AE56WJ "Buenos Aires tango dancers" in addition for both logged in and logged out searches. That makes no sense to me. That's because AE3NWP is a keyword in AE56WJ. Which image is not censored out. Why is a tango orchestra verboten? No idea. The female violinist? The suggestive lights? The dark trees have scary as a keyword. The plush willy is obvious, but it could be it's not those words, but rather proud gay man. It's not pride, because some pride images are being shown. What baffles me most is the toy cab. One passes and one fails. The censored one has the keyword sad-faced. That could be it. The keywords are very similar for both images, but these are the extra keywords in the one that does not show up: accident accidental bender blemish blemished blemishes bumper crash damage damaged dent looking looks mark paint sad-faced scratch scratched scruffy used well worn Beats me. I notice my images came without a link. Let me see if I can fix that. (So if anyone wants to look for offending keywords he/she can have a go at it.) wim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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