Ger Bosma Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) On the last 2 days of December 121 Chinese sales, nearly doubling my number of sales total (253) A shame the total (gross) sales did not amount to much, 18,15 in total. 🤪 (Another 4,000 dollar would be welcome....) Edited January 1, 2022 by Ger Bosma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taina Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 More low sales here too. I have sixteen (16) 0.15 sales, netting me 0.04 each between 30-31 Dec. All RF or RF editorial. I opted out Novel Use in 2017. What is happening?? Fellow contributors, what are your plans with new uploads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abiyoyo Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I do not know but it seems, at least for me, that a BIG Chinese travel web site is on the way and they are buying thousands and thousands of images with a big discount rate. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marb Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Just had 2 sales for $0 each. No, I’m not joking!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Clemson Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I hardly know whether to laugh or cry that I haven't seen even one of these impossibly cheap Chinese licences. I'm sure that all my images being RM is affording some protection against this onslaught, notwithstanding some contributors having seen some RM images licensed in this way. For those who have had a RM licence sold in this way, on what terms was the licence purchased? I can understand RF licences being purchased in bulk as they can be used over and over again - a fatal flaw in the RF licence model from the contributor's point of view, but what kind of RM licence would be sold to a Chinese buyer at such a low price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marb Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Joseph Clemson said: I hardly know whether to laugh or cry that I haven't seen even one of these impossibly cheap Chinese licences. I'm sure that all my images being RM is affording some protection against this onslaught, notwithstanding some contributors having seen some RM images licensed in this way. For those who have had a RM licence sold in this way, on what terms was the licence purchased? I can understand RF licences being purchased in bulk as they can be used over and over again - a fatal flaw in the RF licence model from the contributor's point of view, but what kind of RM licence would be sold to a Chinese buyer at such a low price? Whatever the licence, Alamy have no right to give my images free. And some here berate microstock for selling cheap. Alamy are the lowest. How do I contact support as there doesn’t seem to be an email address on the site, except for customers ? Edited January 1, 2022 by Marb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobD Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Marb said: Whatever the licence, Alamy have no right to give my images free. And some here berate microstock for selling cheap. Alamy are the lowest. It shows as zero on your dashboard but if you look at the licence details it probably is a $0.15 sale. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marb Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, BobD said: It shows as zero on your dashboard but if you look at the licence details it probably is a $0.15 sale. 2 minutes ago, BobD said: It shows as zero on your dashboard but if you look at the licence details it probably is a $0.15 sale. Still pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRJUK Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Another 5 today on top of 3 yesterday, all same Chinese deal at $0.15. all images are RM. totally unrelated images. one is same image 3 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjmimages Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I hope this isn’t a sign of things to come from Alamy. I wouldn’t be surprised if all these images get redistributed from China to other markets. I also had a number of ‘sales’ at $0.15 and will opt out of Novel Use as soon as I can. Alamy doing nothing for its reputation here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderingemu Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 52 minutes ago, Joseph Clemson said: I hardly know whether to laugh or cry that I haven't seen even one of these impossibly cheap Chinese licences. I'm sure that all my images being RM is affording some protection against this onslaught, notwithstanding some contributors having seen some RM images licensed in this way. For those who have had a RM licence sold in this way, on what terms was the licence purchased? I can understand RF licences being purchased in bulk as they can be used over and over again - a fatal flaw in the RF licence model from the contributor's point of view, but what kind of RM licence would be sold to a Chinese buyer at such a low price? but at this point, even the RM has the same flaw. I have confirmation from Alamy that an image licensed as RM allowed the client to use over unrelated articles, in perpetuity, including a second use where the image is barely linked to the article content 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderingemu Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, pjmimages said: I hope this isn’t a sign of things to come from Alamy. I wouldn’t be surprised if all these images get redistributed from China to other markets. I also had a number of ‘sales’ at $0.15 and will opt out of Novel Use as soon as I can. Alamy doing nothing for its reputation here! the Chinese 0.15 cents were not Novel Use, this was pure classic Alamy distribution usage. In addition, some of us who opted out of distribution under the new contract, still got hit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjmimages Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 21 hours ago, BobD said: I am opted out of all distributer sales. Alamy seem to just ignore my wishes. Judging by all the comments and anger I think some sort of explanation from Alamy is needed! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderingemu Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, pjmimages said: Judging by all the comments and anger I think some sort of explanation from Alamy is needed! paraphrasing what will likely come "We made this deal to ensure our rate was sustainable. This allowed us to deal with some operational challenges around growing distribution partner in an area of target growth. The simplified rate structure, same price for all, supports growth of the distributors base, which has been exponential over the last 12 months" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Clemson Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 18 minutes ago, meanderingemu said: but at this point, even the RM has the same flaw. I have confirmation from Alamy that an image licensed as RM allowed the client to use over unrelated articles, in perpetuity, including a second use where the image is barely linked to the article content In perpetuity I can understand as any website usage is likely to persist in some archive form or another for an unforeseeable period. But multiple uses in unrelated articles is what is really unacceptable and breaches the RM model as I understand it. If Alamy are licencing to buyers with that expectation, surely it is a breach of their contract with the contributor? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderingemu Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Joseph Clemson said: In perpetuity I can understand as any website usage is likely to persist in some archive form or another for an unforeseeable period. But multiple uses in unrelated articles is what is really unacceptable and breaches the RM model as I understand it. If Alamy are licencing to buyers with that expectation, surely it is a breach of their contract with the contributor? answer was 'the recent license covers both of the uses below' bold, underline mine. "Uses", plural. I guess the agreement states that they can make any agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony ALS Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Opted out of distribution on 3 June 2021 but have a Rights Managed image to China with distribution deducted dated 31 December 2021. Price $8.82 gross. What is the point of opting out if this happens? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderingemu Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 59 minutes ago, Tony ALS said: Opted out of distribution on 3 June 2021 but have a Rights Managed image to China with distribution deducted dated 31 December 2021. Price $8.82 gross. What is the point of opting out if this happens? That opting out window was specifically introduced as opt out under the new contract (preempting Alamy claiming this wasn't an April opt out), so we will likely be told the download likely happened prior to July 23rd, 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzbeat Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I had 47 of the .15 images sold to 'X' in China on the 30th and 31st. Would be nice to have some additional clarity on usage and distribution from Alamy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Clark Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I was actually glad to see this post already started. My teeth just about dropped out last night when I saw 3 sales for the total of $0.45. Yes three sales at 15 cents each. They were all very small file sizes (sold) but that is just not acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabbro Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Abiyoyo said: I do not know but it seems, at least for me, that a BIG Chinese travel web site is on the way and they are buying thousands and thousands of images with a big discount rate. I kinda of doubt they only downloaded the low res photos as the licenses claimed. Edited January 1, 2022 by Gabbro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riccarbi Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) I've just discovered I've got one of these infamous $ 0.15 Chinese sales too. I also got one of the other versions, the $ 8.82 sale. Both were dated December 31. There is clearly a Chinese publisher or reseller who has collected a gazillion low-res images for a few thousand dollars from Alamy. I guess Alamy's guys could know why. Just a curiosity, what the difference in price (0.15 vs 8.82) could be due to? In my case, both images are RF and low-res, both purchases were from China on the same day, but one reports "China, Magazine - print, digital and electronic" while the other reports just "China". Possibly, different customers? Edited January 1, 2022 by riccarbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuchschenF Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Lots of 15 cent sales in recent days. I would like to get an explanation from the administration under which license these sales are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH22 Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 30 December - two New Forest ponies in heather 31 December - lion stalking in the grass of the Serengeti $0.15 each and sold to 'China'. Ker-ching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alank Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I just discovered that there have been 4 of this $0.15 sales of the same picture to China (oddly - phases of the moon during an eclipse). Perhaps their space program needs to know how to find the moon and they are not sure what it looks like? 🙂 https://www.alamy.com/image-details-popup.asp?Imageid=284BED40-D4B2-4849-9BA6-102EC99F46F2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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