Inchiquin Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 5 hours ago, geogphotos said: Mother in law near Calne so come down often. Don't miss Bath. It has changed so much - like the west end of London now. Hope everyone else is enjoying our little chat! As one who used to live in the Devizes area it's certainly of passing interest to me. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCat Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 hour ago, BidC said: I have started to add that in some cases, but not sure what its use is ? Does it show up as metadata in the image that the client is viewing ? It shows when someone zooms your image. An example of one of mine is from an image of an injured elephant. I didn't have room in the caption and thought someone writing about poaching might use the information so I put in this... "African Elephant calf injured by a spear during the poaching of his mother for her ivory. He was named Simotua and he later died of a snare wound on his leg. He was cared for at the Sheldrick Elephant Orphanage, Nairobi, East Africa. To see all images go to JBP08G, JBP08M, JBP08T, JBP08Y, JBP090." Paulette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlmphotog Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) On 29/08/2019 at 08:58, Jan Brown said: I just tried that and, as I've found in the past, it just stops allowing me to type. Is there some trick I'm missing? You're right about the tags, of course, but it's annoying when I'm in mid-flow and I can't fit in the informative sentence I wanted to type. Hey ho. Jan, Sorry I misunderstood your question. I do not know how to do what you want online. I do all my captioning/key-wording off-line using a word processor then cut and paste the captions/keywords into the RAW file metadata using Adobe Bridge. When I upload, long captions automatically end up in Additional info but I do have to lookout for truncated captions and word fragments. I feel very strongly that the best practice is to spend your time captioning and key-wording the source of the image, be that a RAW file or JPEG. This metadata along with your contact info and copyright notice stays with your image no matter where it "goes" and you only have to do it once. Hope this helps, David L. Moore, DLM-Photog Edited September 19, 2019 by dlmphotog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderingemu Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 5 hours ago, dlmphotog said: Jan, Sorry I misunderstood your question. I do not know how to do want you want online. I do all my captioning/key-wording off-line using a word processor then cut and paste the captions/keywords into the RAW file metadata using Adobe Bridge. When I upload, long captions automatically end up in Additional info but I do have to lookout for truncated captions and word fragments. I feel very strongly that the best practice is to spend your time captioning and key-wording the source of the image, be that a RAW file or JPEG. This metadata along with your contact info and copyright notice stays with your image no matter where it "goes" and you only have to do it once. Hope this helps, David L. Moore, DLM-Photog i actually have started to use Excel with a Len() function to count characters in my caption, as i was getting too many truncated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BidC Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 5 hours ago, dlmphotog said: Jan, Sorry I misunderstood your question. I do not know how to do want you want online. I do all my captioning/key-wording off-line using a word processor then cut and paste the captions/keywords into the RAW file metadata using Adobe Bridge. When I upload, long captions automatically end up in Additional info but I do have to lookout for truncated captions and word fragments. I feel very strongly that the best practice is to spend your time captioning and key-wording the source of the image, be that a RAW file or JPEG. This metadata along with your contact info and copyright notice stays with your image no matter where it "goes" and you only have to do it once. Hope this helps, David L. Moore, DLM-Photog Thats good practice, though somehow psychologically I often tag stock images in Alamy. LR not always great or keywording, and sometimes with stock I don't use Photomechanic (which usually makes life altogether easier). Somehow I'd rather they were 'ion sale' and then I redo and add over the course of a few days (usually) [Own personal 'logic' - go figure (!) ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BidC Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 7 hours ago, geogphotos said: Sometimes it takes a lot of research which adds to the frustration of not having enough space to use what you have found out because of the character limit. Quite often the church does not know, the knowledge has been lost so you need to find specialist sources. That obviously takes time and is very specific. But given Alamy's provision of encylopaedic coverage somebody might want to know specific windows of particular producers which is the whole point of trying to develop a niche. If we are only then able to write banal captions it is clearly not ideal. I completely understand your frustration - and thanks for that. Very helpful [Dashing to work so apologies for brevity] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) . Edited September 7, 2019 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) . Edited September 7, 2019 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 15 hours ago, dlmphotog said: When the Caption text is past the 150 charter limit it automatically carries over to Additional info field where the entire Caption is displayed. I don't know where you get this idea but it doesn't. It just stops. I have nothing in my additional info field unless I put it there deliberately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gvallee Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 19 minutes ago, spacecadet said: I don't know where you get this idea but it doesn't. It just stops. I have nothing in my additional info field unless I put it there deliberately. Yes it does. Try my RNXNJG. This is what I meant in my previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, gvallee said: Yes it does. Try my RNXNJG. This is what I meant in my previous post. Maybe if you import captions, but not if typing into AIM, which was what was being discussed. Edited August 30, 2019 by spacecadet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gvallee Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, spacecadet said: Maybe if you import, but not if typing into AIM, which was what was being discussed. deleted. No point. Edited August 30, 2019 by gvallee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, gvallee said: Err... To the statement: When the Caption text is past the 150 charter limit it automatically carries over to Additional info field where the entire Caption is displayed. You answered: "I don't know where you get this idea but it doesn't. It just stops. I have nothing in my additional info field unless I put it there deliberately." This is what I am responding to. Your answer is completely incorrect. I know you're resisting keywording prior to upload, using long wielded methods, which is totally crazy to me, but each to their own... If it works for you, then fine. Whatever, I don't care too much about being right, but if you cared to follow the whole sub-thread you would see that Jan Brown said "it just stops allowing me to type" so it's clear she was talking about AIM. Hence my "it just stops", which is completely correct. It wasn't clear that the poster to whom she responded was referring to your method. Anyway it doesn't really affect the gist of the thread, which is that you can only display 150 characters. I'm not "resisting" tagging in advance- I haven't mentioned it, or even thought about it. Since I don't submit elsewhere I lose nothing, and if I wanted to Alamy would send me all the annotations anyway. Edited August 30, 2019 by spacecadet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gvallee Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, spacecadet said: I'm not "resisting" tagging in advance- I haven't mentioned it, or even thought about it. When the new AIM came, you complained numerous times about your problems about copying and pasting, having to select other pictures in different submissions, using an editor, problems with commas and what not. Your choice entirely. Over and out for me, this is demeaning. Edited August 30, 2019 by gvallee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) Such detailed recollection.!. Perhaps I just got the hang of it. Hope I haven't demeaned too much. Edited August 30, 2019 by spacecadet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels Quist Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, meanderingemu said: but then it makes it less legible to the customer, so what is the point? I want to tell them what is in the picture, so they don't have to go through the keywords and or guess. I more often than not offer further information in "Tell more about your image" in the optional part. Edited August 30, 2019 by Niels Quist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels Quist Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, geogphotos said: Stained glass window. You need: Name and location of the church Stained glass artist and date, possibly style of art What is in the stained glass - could be several 'lights' of different biblical scenes. Would it really hurt to let those who want it have a more generous allowance. It would not be compulsory and captions are less important than tags to the search engine - I'd prefer to put info in caption and leave out of tags rather than vica versa. It would probably take up space Alamy wants to save. I'd enter this in the key words and in "Tell more about your image". Sometimes this will be more important for reportage / archival images - in which case you'll have the 600 characters. Are you sure that captions are less important to the search engine than tags? Edited August 30, 2019 by Niels Quist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 19 minutes ago, Niels Quist said: Are you sure that captions are less important to the search engine than tags? They're certainly supposed to be and I assume that's the basis on which most of us operate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderingemu Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Niels Quist said: I more often than not offer further information in "Tell more about your image" in the optional part. I've used it also, but mainly as a protection for me because i wasn't able to include everything i wanted in caption, and i don't believe customers should be expected to go into the keywords to validate the content of my picture. So that when my picture of "Cape Dutch Architecture" in a "Small Town" comes up in a search for "Cape Town" but i didn't have enough space in the Caption to indicate that, at least i can refer to the "Tell me more" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels Quist Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, spacecadet said: They're certainly supposed to be and I assume that's the basis on which most of us operate. I am not quite so sure. But things may have changed. Read Mark's post a bit down. https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/10626-importance-of-captions/ Edited August 30, 2019 by Niels Quist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCat Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) The last time I tested this the caption had the strongest effect on placement followed by supertags. Putting the same words in both was best. Paulette Edited August 30, 2019 by NYCat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) On 30/08/2019 at 09:27, NYCat said: The last time I tested this the caption had the strongest effect on placement followed by supertags. Putting the same words in both was best. Paulette Sorry for dredging this thread back up - but I've found this and some other related info somewhat enlightening. If I'm correctly interpreting posts in this thread it tells me that image captions carry more weight with Alamy's search engine than supertags and regular tags/keywords. OK. In rereading thru older stock image business info (not on Alamy) it was stated that the vast majority of those looking to license stock images go to public search engines to search for images instead of going to stock agencies (and their search engines) to search.. There was no hard info presented to validate the statement however. Wondering if Alamy has any way to track Alamy image search hits and/or license sales based on what search engine was used to find the image - external search like Google versus Alamy's own search engine? If they did would they disclose it? Google search indexes stock agencies images including Alamy. It's my understanding that Google search ignores keywords in image metadata. It does index image captions. Are Alamy's supertags/tags able to be indexed/searchable by Google and other external search engines? Perhaps if they're copied from the image metadata into Alamy's image tags data in AIM? If it's true that the vast majority of stock image searchers use an external search engine - and those external search engines ignore Alamy's image supertags/keywords - the implication would seem to be that an image caption takes on significantly more importance relative to supertags and keywords/tags for buyers searching for images to license on Alamy and other agencies.. Edited September 14, 2019 by Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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