Ian Goodrick Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Just purchased a Sony RX100 Va and had the first trial submission fail QC for 'soft lacking definition' I will admit my eye is not 'in' on images at the moment but images did not look to be a problem, but was. Workflow I'm using is as follows 1:- convert to DNG 2:- process in Bridge and PS CS6, hence the need to convert to DNG 3:- output at camera resolution. as a tif. 4 :- convert to jpeg at quality 12 Basically the same work flow I have used for years with my big cameras adding the DNG conversion. Also ensured that images were shot at Low ISO and stopped down to f4 and f5.6 which after tests proved to be the best aperture. If anyone who is successfully passing QC, with this camera or any other RX100 version, has any advice and would care to share I would appreciate help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels Quist Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) The RX100 is not a dSLR camera, but can shoot the mainstream stock photo. My experience is with the RX100-3. If you shoot on automatic be sure the focus points cover your main object. Move around until satisfied. You can easily stop further down. F.inst. If you shoot night images it can be around f1.8 - 2.8. Try the automatic setting and see what the images look like. More accurate if you don't shoot on automatic - but A f.inst. - you can choose the focus area to be centre - then focus and compose. Sometimes it is necessary to downsize a bit or to the minimum acceptable - but most of my images are full size or 85% - I know that many downsize to the minimum - but you won't get the sales for larger image uses then. Take more images, if possible, to select the better one when editing. Shouldn't be difficult to pass QC. There are members here that have nearly one of each version - they might enlighten about changes in the Va version I still prefer my dSLR - but the RX100 can be great to carry all the time. Niels Edited July 10, 2019 by Niels Quist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Goodrick Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 I got the Sony as a pocketable alternative to the D700s Shot images on auto Will go back and downsize and try some different files. only send 4 files as a test. One was marked as QC fail but not able to tell if all images were viewed. Anyway will try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels Quist Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Forgot to say that I don't think there is anything wrong with your workflow. Be critical about the sharpness to avoid more failures. You will soon get the hang of it and know how you will get the best focused images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCat Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 I find the tiny camera more difficult to hold steady. You can get a simple little grip that gives a better purchase for your fingers. I have had to pay a bit of attention to how steady I hold it. Be sure it isn't moving as you press the shutter. Paulette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskerke Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Ian, could you maybe upload the original failed image to something like dropbox? wim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Goodrick Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 Flickr possibly compresses image Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Goodrick Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 hour ago, NYCat said: I find the tiny camera more difficult to hold steady. You can get a simple little grip that gives a better purchase for your fingers. I have had to pay a bit of attention to how steady I hold it. Be sure it isn't moving as you press the shutter. Paulette got a smallrig cage/grip on order https://www.smallrig.com/smallrig-cage-kit-for-sony-rx100-iii-iv-v-2105.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Clemson Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 43 minutes ago, Ian Goodrick said: Flickr possibly compresses image It looks to me like the focus is on the wrong part of the image - the flowers in the foreground look sharp to me but the car is outside the focal plane and clearly not at all sharp. I think it may be mostly a case of getting used to using that particular camera and getting used to how the images look when viewed in your workflow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Goodrick Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 That was the point of the image. The roads in the area have had wild flowers planted on the verges and the subject is trending to a small degree. The image was to concentrate on the verge not the car. If I had shot full frame I could have given a greater focus differentiation between the car and the verge. As it is it is neither one thing or another. Possibly not the sort of subject that plays to the cameras capabilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskerke Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 10 hours ago, Ian Goodrick said: That was the point of the image. The roads in the area have had wild flowers planted on the verges and the subject is trending to a small degree. The image was to concentrate on the verge not the car. If I had shot full frame I could have given a greater focus differentiation between the car and the verge. As it is it is neither one thing or another. Possibly not the sort of subject that plays to the cameras capabilities. Next time blur the cars in post. Or give the plants more prominence in the image and make the cars half the size. This is a well known case: clients could mistake your image for a photo of the car. So make sure the car is blurred even at thumbnail sizes. Flickr is indeed sharpening images, so no way to know if the foreground would be sharp enough for QC. But I'm pretty sure the real problem here is the ambiguity of the image re: the real subject. wim 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Ramsay Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 32 minutes ago, wiskerke said: Next time blur the cars in post. Or give the plants more prominence in the image and make the cars half the size. This is a well known case: clients could mistake your image for a photo of the car. So make sure the car is blurred even at thumbnail sizes. Flickr is indeed sharpening images, so no way to know if the foreground would be sharp enough for QC. But I'm pretty sure the real problem here is the ambiguity of the image re: the real subject. wim Agree with Wim's diagnosis - foreground seems sharp enough, but the car should be much more blurred (slower shutter speed) otherwise QC can't tell what you're trying to show Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Goodrick Posted July 10, 2019 Author Share Posted July 10, 2019 Having slept on it overnight and looked again at this file against my previous submissions, I’m sure it is the ambiguity of the car. Also it was the first image numerically in the submission and my understanding is that if a failure is found the rest of the submission is rejected without being QCed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 15 hours ago, Ian Goodrick said: That was the point of the image. The roads in the area have had wild flowers planted on the verges and the subject is trending to a small degree. The image was to concentrate on the verge not the car. If I had shot full frame I could have given a greater focus differentiation between the car and the verge. As it is it is neither one thing or another. Possibly not the sort of subject that plays to the cameras capabilities. True. I got the RX100VA as well recently and it is an amazing bit of kit for what it is but one thing it does not do well is give a narrow depth of field with nice bokeh background. For that definitely stick with the D700. It is great for subjects where you want everything in focus - buildings, cityscapes, landscapes and so on. One great advantage with the fixed lens is it is not necessary to check for dust spots (so far at least). It is not very good at high ISO in comparison to a Nikon DSLR - I wouldn't take it beyond 800 and even then I would be wary. It seems to be doing some sharpening in-camera for the raw images as they look over-sharpened at the Lightroom default (new one). But overall it is excellent if one focuses on its strong points. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Goodrick Posted July 10, 2019 Author Share Posted July 10, 2019 5 hours ago, MDM said: True. I got the RX100VA as well recently and it is an amazing bit of kit for what it is but one thing it does not do well is give a narrow depth of field with nice bokeh background. For that definitely stick with the D700. It is great for subjects where you want everything in focus - buildings, cityscapes, landscapes and so on. One great advantage with the fixed lens is it is not necessary to check for dust spots (so far at least). It is not very good at high ISO in comparison to a Nikon DSLR - I wouldn't take it beyond 800 and even then I would be wary. It seems to be doing some sharpening in-camera for the raw images as they look over-sharpened at the Lightroom default (new one). But overall it is excellent if one focuses on its strong points. From the first few few images I have shot I would agree with everything you say. I just need to get my head around not shooting full frame. Never entered my head issues such as this occurring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MizBrown Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 12 hours ago, MDM said: True. I got the RX100VA as well recently and it is an amazing bit of kit for what it is but one thing it does not do well is give a narrow depth of field with nice bokeh background. For that definitely stick with the D700. It is great for subjects where you want everything in focus - buildings, cityscapes, landscapes and so on. One great advantage with the fixed lens is it is not necessary to check for dust spots (so far at least). It is not very good at high ISO in comparison to a Nikon DSLR - I wouldn't take it beyond 800 and even then I would be wary. It seems to be doing some sharpening in-camera for the raw images as they look over-sharpened at the Lightroom default (new one). But overall it is excellent if one focuses on its strong points. The latest LR has 40 as its default sharpening for raw files.. Adjust downward and see if that improves things. I changed the sharpening default for one of my cameras (a6000, I think), but don't remember precisely how I did it. Google should pull up the how-to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 5 hours ago, MizBrown said: The latest LR has 40 as its default sharpening for raw files.. Adjust downward and see if that improves things. I changed the sharpening default for one of my cameras (a6000, I think), but don't remember precisely how I did it. Google should pull up the how-to. Yes I have already done that - brought it down to 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 When I read through tech posts, I often find that my suggestions have already been made. Before you posted the image, Ian, I had assumed you had a handholding problem (as Paulette said). But Wim got it right. If you had shown more blur on the red car (blur for motion) the pic would have passed. I see people using these pocket Sony RX100s and framing with the back screen. I never do that except when sitting at a restaurant table shooting food. I have a slight vibration in my hands (essential tremor). It's not an age thing. I've had it all my life. Shooting with the EVF, I lean back slightly so the camera is centered over my body and I press the camera against my forehead. If I were to hold that little Sony out in front of me to see the screen, I would get camera shake. I have the RX100-6. The Va and 6 have better autofocus than the earlier models. Edo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 7 hours ago, MizBrown said: The latest LR has 40 as its default sharpening for raw files.. Eek.....40 is my nuclear option, for when I'm downsizing as well to get an image I like through (or should that be past) QC. Still on LR5.7 here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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