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#1 Dado The Dude

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Posted 26 March 2015 - 08:30 PM

Greetings forum  ;)

This is my first post and also small question.

I don't know what I m doing wrong but I haven't  sold anything yet.I am very patient and I am contributor for almost two years at Alamy but still nothing happens.I have tagged all may pictures and having occasionally views but hardly any sale.

Is this a bad luck or my portfolio really sucks? :(


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#2 Inchiquin

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 09:50 AM

Alamy has more than 50 million images, you have 207. In other words, you're merely a needle in the haystack.

 

Add a zero to the end of your figure and you should start to see some sales.

 

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#3 arterra

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 10:25 AM

Hello, fellow Belgian ;)

In the stock business, it's very simple: no stock, no sales!
I'd say, count at least 4000 - 5000 images to get regular sales (don't forget Alamy is based in the UK, you're not! Images related to the UK simply sell far better here). But to tell you the blunt truth: you missed the boat 7 years ago. I would never recommend stock photography to newcomers who have to start from scratch.

I wrote the following a while ago:

How to enter stock and be a happy camper from the start?

  • shoot, shoot and shoot even more. Develop your photography skills and master Photoshop
  • after many years photographing and gathering lots of experience, browse your archive
  • select at least 4000-5000 of your best and most saleable images
  • keyword and turn them into Jpegs
  • copy to external harddisk
  • send harddisk(s) to agency/agencies
  • and then ..... upload more and more images in small batches

Decided to skip step 1 to 6 and go straight for step 7 ......?????
Fine by me -_- Just don't moan about poor sales :rolleyes:

So, for newcomers: DO NOT START WITH 150 images, but upload in one go 4000-5000 images of a great variety of subjects, meaning thus thousands of very different saleable subjects (you can upload similar ones at a later stage). This way, you can get several sales per week from the start because you have thousands of fishing lines (=DIFFERENT subjects) in the water. Remember you start with a medium ranking. It's up to you to keep feeding the beast and MAINTAIN that ranking around Alamy's average CTR.
YOU CANNOT DO THAT by first submitting 100 pictures, two months later adding another 50, a couple of months later another 50, and so on. You'll have guaranteed very few sales and see your ranking go down the drain >> images thrown back in search results >> images not visible for clients >>> no sales.
Trick is NUMBERS, NUMBERS, VARIETY, VARIETY, VARIETY and QUALITY.

Probably not what you wanted to hear, but the above is just my opinion. Sure, others will disagree, but if they do, ask them how successful they are, here at Alamy :mellow: I know what I sell .......and that's several pictures ........... per day.

Cheers,
Philippe


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Posted 27 March 2015 - 10:28 AM

Totally agree about what Arterra wrote. Sad but definitely true!


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#5 JohnB

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 10:44 AM

Even with only a couple of hundred images you should expect a few sales per year. I think you have some great pictures but they are also of subjects where the competition is huge: Sagrada Familia; Sacre Coeur, Eiffel tower, general Venice canals etc. It's very difficult to find a subject that is popular with buyers but less popular with photographers but that is what you need to do. Find something a little more "nichey" sell some pictures, improve you rank and then you'll be in a better position to compete for sales of bicycles in Amsterdam and panoramics of Paris or the Vatican.


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#6 Paul Mayall

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 11:00 AM

 

 

 But to tell you the blunt truth: you missed the boat 7 years ago. I would never recommend stock photography to newcomers who have to start from scratch

 

I hate to put you off, however Arterra is rite!,  a editor from a very large German stock Archive told me a few years ago that he could not advise any photographer to start in Stock.

 

For me stock is more for the hobby shooters who don't have to rely on a steady bread and butter income with their photos.

 

As been suggested, you need thousands here to have a chance,  yes it is a lot of work and effort for the return in stock photography today.

 

If you put images up as a hobby it will be more fun without the stress.

 

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#7 stipe

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 11:03 AM

Upload one picture of Sagrada Familia or about any other famous subject is totally useless in my opinion. I have been reading frequently about contributors who uploaded just a few hundreds of images complaining because zero sales. The only answer to struggle no sales is just one: upload, upload, upload. Only by creating a strong and varied portfolio you can make a reasonable amount of sales nowdays.


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#8 arterra

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 11:03 AM

Even with only a couple of hundred images you should expect a few sales per year.

 

But newcomers with a few hundred images don't expect a couple of sales per year. They expect (many) sales on a monthly or even weekly basis  :mellow: That was the case when I stepped in the stock business in 2002, but that's history now.

 

Cheers,

Philippe


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Posted 27 March 2015 - 11:10 AM

Upload one picture of Sagrada Familia or about any other famous subject is totally useless in my opinion.

 

Not true IF (and that's a big "if") you have a good steady ranking. Frankly, I don't give a damn whether there are 15 or 15,000 competing images of a certain popular subject, when my pictures are found within the first two or three pages of search results. That's why I find it so very important to start with a good ranking AND maintain that ranking.

 

Cheers,

Philippe


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Posted 27 March 2015 - 12:11 PM

I had about 200 files like you do now. After around 4 months got my first sale. Regular sales started with over 700 files. It was few years ago. Now you need at least 2-3k good files (or niche!) to see it rolling. However, I know people who have 5-10k files, a lot of similarities in it, and they sell one image for a year or two...

 

Be patient, work hard and don't look back. But remember, the best days of many and valuable sales are behind...

 

 

 

Add a zero to the end of your figure and you should start to see some sales.

 

 

That's right!


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#11 Paulstw

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 01:37 PM

I don't think it's as cut and dry as having so many images equals sale etc. I have over 1500 images and this year,and it's been like a ghost town on views, zooms and sales. That number of total images is just getting bigger and bigger everyday. If you're not keeping up with the figures, you're pretty much dead in the water. 


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#12 Ed Rooney

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 01:56 PM

Dado, do you have Lightroom? Open up your shadows. Dark shadows make your images look sinister. 

 

Arletta? Bring back your lovely cat with the blue eyes. A bug? No no no no!


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#13 arterra

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 02:00 PM

Arletta? Bring back your lovely cat with the blue eyes.

 

+1  ;)

 

Cheers,

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 02:00 PM

Ed, this ladybug brings me luck and I thought it could work with A. sales... ;) Let's try it! :P


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Posted 27 March 2015 - 02:28 PM

Ed, this ladybug brings me luck and I thought it could work with A. sales... ;) Let's try it! :P

 

I've got a colony of them in my bedroom and they haven't brought me any luck with sales yet :(

 

Alan


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#16 Inchiquin

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 02:29 PM

Even with only a couple of hundred images you should expect a few sales per year.

 

 

I don't agree with that. A few years ago maybe. But the fewer images you have, the more it becomes a lottery as to whether your pics are ever seen. You might be lucky to get a couple of sales a year but you can't expect any.

 

Alan


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#17 Rex Jarvis

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 02:32 PM

I only have 10 images up so far and am happy to wait for my retirement while my portfolio builds. All of my many 1000's of older images were pre DSLR compact camera so are useless for Alamy's quality control although other sites will take them.  This summer I will just get out there on my travels with my new cameras and start to build a collection all over again.


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Posted 27 March 2015 - 02:38 PM

Dude,

I joined in October, 2012, uploaded 53 photos in November and had my first sale on December 9, 2012. As of January, 2015 I had 1,000 for sale with 90 sales. My suggestion is that you shoot anything trendy. I get an e-mail each morning from Yahoo which anyone with a Yahoo email address gets automatically. At the bottom, it lists the ten most popular searches for the prior day. For example this mornings searches were for E-file tax return, IPhone 6 Plus, Medicare Part D, etc. It gives me ideas on what I should be shooting. I would suggest you take a photo of an elderly person taking a Selfie. Things like that. Also, I've had four sales so far this month, 2 via Alamy (now at 1740 photos) and 2 via Stockimo (377 photos). So you might be better off going the Stockimo route, which has a modern vibe. I don't think you should give up, just try a new, more current subject matter to see if that sells. Best of luck to you.


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#19 John Gaffen

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 02:57 PM

My comments are really the same as some of my fellow photographers here on Alamy. You need a large and varied portfolio, before you will start to see regular sales.  200 images is really just a starting point. The stock photography industry is a bit of a numbers game and  you should view it as a marathon, not a sprint!  Of course the quality of you images is important in terms of technique, composition, choice of subject, etc.,  but with 50 million images,  you need  far more images to be able compete in this marketplace..


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#20 Niels Quist

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 03:52 PM

I only have 10 images up so far and am happy to wait for my retirement while my portfolio builds. All of my many 1000's of older images were pre DSLR compact camera so are useless for Alamy's quality control although other sites will take them.  This summer I will just get out there on my travels with my new cameras and start to build a collection all over again.

 

 -  and from your avatar it seems you have quite a good, long time to build that portfolio  :)

 

You could consider the reportage route on Alamy for older suitable images of quality.

 

Niels


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