Cliff Hide Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Alamy are going to have to explain 4.11 of the new contract pretty darn quick. Specifically it now says: caption ... does not include ... any personal details from which a living person can be identified. Guess the Live News service ends in a few weeks. Or have their lawyers not understood the journalistic exemptions of GDPR? Over to you Alamy ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Crikey- does this mean a caption can't contain the name of the subject? Is it retrospective, does anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Baker Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Well I don't fancy trawling through my collection to see whose names form part of captions. The first that come to mind are those who are part of the story of the picture ie. with a relevance to the scene itself - or a picture telling the story about a non-celebrity - and I've a fair number of those. Watch this space .. Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Crean Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 This is worrying as a clause.... And yes it does seem to me(not a lawyer!) that there has been some misinterpretation of what is allowed. How are clients going to search for public figures if their names are not in the metadata? Alamy please explain....???? Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanDavidson Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 So I am photographing a football game, take a picture of a goal and cannot name the person scoring..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
York Photographer Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 What about model releases? A client can ask to see them, and identify the person in the picture from that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpole Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Does that mean the name can still go in the title or headline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSnapper Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, Southpole said: Does that mean the name can still go in the title or headline no.. Any information supplied for display with any Image, including captions, keywords, Pseudonyms, agency names and descriptions only includes information that is pertaining to the specific Image itself, and does not include contact details, web addresses, Uniform Resource Locator’s (URL’s), copyright and rights management information or any personal details from which a living person can be identified. Going to be a tricky one to work... km Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin B Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 55 minutes ago, RedSnapper said: no.. Any information supplied for display with any Image, including captions, keywords, Pseudonyms, agency names and descriptions only includes information that is pertaining to the specific Image itself, and does not include contact details, web addresses, Uniform Resource Locator’s (URL’s), copyright and rights management information or any personal details from which a living person can be identified. Going to be a tricky one to work... km Are you sure? Because I would think that the name of a person in a photo included in a caption when relevant may often be " information that is pertaining to the specific Image itself". But then, I don't speak fluent legalese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin B Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, York Photographer said: What about model releases? A client can ask to see them, and identify the person in the picture from that? "Any information supplied for display with any Image, including captions, keywords, Pseudonyms, agency names and descriptions". Model releases should be uploaded as attachments, not included in captions, keywords, or descriptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MariaJ Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 2 hours ago, RedSnapper said: . Any information supplied for display with any Image, including captions, keywords, Pseudonyms, agency names and descriptions only includes information that is pertaining to the specific Image itself, and does not include contact details, web addresses, Uniform Resource Locator’s (URL’s), copyright and rights management information or any personal details from which a living person can be identified. I don't understand how this new rule fits with a primarily editorial image library. Seems more suitable for generic RF stock images. Maria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptoprocta Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 3 hours ago, York Photographer said: What about model releases? A client can ask to see them, and identify the person in the picture from that? Can they? That's not usual with agencies, as they could that way see names, addresses, maybe phone numbers and emails. That would be unacceptable to many, surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Chapman Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 12 hours ago, York Photographer said: What about model releases? A client can ask to see them, and identify the person in the picture from that? Interesting point. Alamy's model release includes the following statement. "I consent to the inclusion of the Model Release form including the personal details recommended in it being added to the public database owned or operated by Alamy Limited or its subsidiary" So, by signing Alamy's model release, the model has given consent for some their personal data (name, telephone number, email and possibly ethnicity) to be stored on-line in a public database. Given the increase in sensitivity around holding personal data, it wouldn't surprise me if Alamy revise the information requested and also tighten up on the forms of model releases they will accept. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alamy Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Hi everyone, Sorry - the wording isn't clear enough from us here so we're currently re-working it and will amend it very soon. There are journalistic exceptions to this clause where the name can be included if pertinent to the image, such as for a news story. More soon. Alamy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin B Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 33 minutes ago, LawrensonPhoto said: I understood this to be the IPTC sections of: Creator Job title Address phone email website instructions copyright etc Which I have now left blank This does not pertain to metadata on your image. It pertains to information you fill out or allow to be added to the fields once the image is uploaded "including captions, keywords, Pseudonyms, agency names and descriptions" Alamy strips most metadata from your image when it is being reformatted, before it is transferred to the buyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alamy Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Hi Everyone, Apologies once again for the confusion regarding the unclear wording of clause 4.11. We've updated the wording now to make it clearer. You can view the updated summary of changes here: http://www.alamy.com/terms/contributor-contract-changes.asp And the updated full contract here: http://www.alamy.com/terms/contributor.asp If you've got any questions, please email the Contributor Relations team on contributors@alamy.com. Thanks, Alamy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alamy Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Now locking as this is a duplicate thread to: http://discussion.alamy.com/topic/9460-ambiguous-new-contract-clause-411/ Thanks Alamy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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