Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 see submitted 27MB JPG at 100% below; (yes, its ISO 6400, but no noise?) please help identify reasons for SoLD; I can't find issue other than typical high ISO "blocky" look although I'm sure others will; area in focus includes: speaker's face edges? microphone? left-hand clicker? face of woman wearing magenta top? this is learning process for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 PS. be sure to view image at 100%, not over 100% !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 It is plasticky from too much NR- the hair looks like oil painting, there's no detail- you should see individual hairs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gervais Montacute Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) The two ladies in the foreground look like they’re made of rubber. Does that mean it will fail? No idea. Edited March 12 by Gervais Montacute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) You might 1 hour ago, Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg said: see submitted 27MB JPG at 100% below; (yes, its ISO 6400, but no noise?) please help identify reasons for SoLD; I can't find issue other than typical high ISO "blocky" look although I'm sure others will; It might be better rephrased as "please help find sharp area(s) of this image". As spacecadet says, there is no detail, presumably destroyed by too much noise reduction. This is a truly iconic SoLD image - or should that be SaLD - it is Soft and it Lacks Definition. It's surprising you can't see how lacking in definition it is Jeff. I guess you are viewing on your laptop. If ever there was a case for using Adobe's highly refined Denoise tool, this is it. It could be this is pushing the camera too far anyway. Edited March 12 by MDM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sultanpepa Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 It looks like you have tried to use selective sharpening to improve some areas but as the others have said overall it is SOLD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 thanks for responses, really! I am beginning to see problem... I thought SoLD referred to "edges" being sharp or not sharp... comments here suggest it also refers to areas BETWEEN edges... e.g., within a face, not just face profile; I have previously requested Reportage folder but got no response; Due to current tremor I've had to shoot minimum 1/60 which on some indoors kicks ISO to 6400; I'm having wonky brain cells zapped in April, but until then... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Chapman Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, MDM said: It might be better rephrased as "please help find sharp area(s) of this image". As spacecadet says, there is no detail, presumably destroyed by too much noise reduction. +1 Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gervais Montacute Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 12/03/2024 at 19:16, Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg said: Due to current tremor I've had to shoot minimum 1/60 which on some indoors kicks ISO to 6400; I'm having wonky brain cells zapped in April, but until then... Jeff. Watch this. If you only take Jpegs then forget it. That's not going to work. Or for the moment, or if you use Fuji X trans censors maybe in 4 or 5 months. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gervais Montacute said: If you only take Jpegs then forget it. GervaisM, thanks mate! yes I start with DNGs out of my Sony RX10 IV; don't know if my current PC can handle DXO PureRAW 4...? Thinkpad P40 Yoga Signature Edition Device name DESKTOP-FITKV5V Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6600U CPU @ 2.60GHz 2.81 GHz ?2? Cores Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.9 GB usable) System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor Pen and touch Pen and touch support with 10 touch points Edition Windows 10 Home Version 22H2 Installed on 2/3/2021 Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.19054.1000.0 GPU 1: NVIDIA Quadro M500M GPU 0: Intel HD Graphics 520 Edited March 17 by Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gervais Montacute Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Jeff I don't know anything about PC's but just go onto their site and try the 2 weeks ( I think ) free trial. See what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin L Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Not beefy enough https://download-center.dxo.com/Support/docs/PureRAW_v4/release-notes/PR4_release-note_win_EN.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 (edited) Still, I would also like to know how to get best ISO 6400 results using ACR 2024 & Photoshop 2024. To rid "rubbery" skin, etc., I tried ACR > Effects > 5% Grain, 90% Size, 90% Roughness... I'm sure Processing Wizards have a simple secret sauces using just those apps... Edited March 18 by Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie Edwards Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 In Photoshop - if a RAW image - open ACR (Camera Raw) , Details, Denoise - Ai Denoise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Julie Edwards said: In Photoshop - if a RAW image - open ACR (Camera Raw) , Details, Denoise - Ai Denoise His computer is too old to run Denoise. This has been the subject of four or probably more than four different threads in the last several months. There is a simple solution - invest in a new computer that can run Denoise but so far no news on that front. Edited March 18 by MDM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) 13 hours ago, Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg said: Still, I would also like to know how to get best ISO 6400 results using ACR 2024 & Photoshop 2024. To rid "rubbery" skin, etc., I tried ACR > Effects > 5% Grain, 90% Size, 90% Roughness... I'm sure Processing Wizards have a simple secret sauces using just those apps... All processing wizards using Adobe 2024 software are using the amazing Denoise as advised multiple times. You don't have to be a processing wizard, you just need to wave the Denoise magic wand (not the Photoshop magic wand tool). You know what that means - new computer. Edited March 18 by MDM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie Edwards Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 27 minutes ago, MDM said: All processing wizards using Adobe 2024 software are using the amazing Denoise as advised multiple times. You don't have to be a processing wizard, you just need to wave the Denoise magic wand (not the Photoshop magic wand tool). You know what that means - new computer. Agreed - It sounds as though the computer is no longer "fit for purpose" and not investing is now limiting your business.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebecca Ore Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 My machine can use LRClassic's DeNoise AI but slowly, matter of minutes. Since I'm not taking many photos now, this isn't a bottleneck. Device name LaptopTwo Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8550U CPU @ 1.80GHz 1.99 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.9 GB usable) Device ID 448B15F1-B9A3-44F4-BF48-F393DC729D4F Product ID 00330-80000-00000-AA572 System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor Pen and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display AMD graphics card. VRAM 4096 MB GDDR5 1125 MHz Computer is five or six years old probably. If I ever have another $2,000 to spare, I'll consider getting a new one and keeping this laptop for mail and writing. Anyone who's processing more than 15-20 photos a day that need de-noising, yeah, new machine. For those of us with older machines that can still use DeNoise AI but slowly, one solution is to run a batch of denoising operations and then walk away from the computer for a long walk or watch TV or something. Yeah, it's better if it takes a couple of seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 3 hours ago, MDM said: ...probably more than four different threads in the last several months. (17) times 😜 but during that time a. more powerful GPU's have been introduced...? b. more advanced laptops have been introduced...? c. I continue to shoot high ISO salable images (~10% of total images delayed submission) (possible solution in progress) Lost business aka income? yeah, for those who DON'T shoot high ISO & therefore IMO skip salable photo opportunities; not I... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg said: (17) times 😜 Yes that might well be accurate. Anyway I'll leave you to it. Best of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I'm sure it's been mentioned already, but the NR has obliterated any fine detail in that image. I didn't even have to zoom it - the skin looks like waxwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebecca Ore Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 4 hours ago, Cal said: I'm sure it's been mentioned already, but the NR has obliterated any fine detail in that image. I didn't even have to zoom it - the skin looks like waxwork. Using the AI noise reduction on its normal settings? DeNoise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie Edwards Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 19 hours ago, Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg said: (17) times 😜 but during that time a. more powerful GPU's have been introduced...? b. more advanced laptops have been introduced...? c. I continue to shoot high ISO salable images (~10% of total images delayed submission) (possible solution in progress) Lost business aka income? yeah, for those who DON'T shoot high ISO & therefore IMO skip salable photo opportunities; not I... Devils advocate... That all makes sense... but avoiding one part of the equation that most photographers forget... Time.... (Number of hours trying to solve this problem) x (hourly rate) = (is this less than the cost of a new computer?) I value my time away from the computer .. however I spend it .. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Julie Edwards said: ... but avoiding one part of the equation that most photographers forget... Time.... (Number of hours trying to solve this problem) x (hourly rate) = (is this less than the cost of a new computer?) I value my time away from the computer .. however I spend it .. +1 I also value my time on my computer and I'd rather not spend a lot of that time staring at a spinning beachball or waiting for something to finish. Adobe Denoise can be batched so you can run images that need noise reduction (filtered by ISO) through it while doing something else, on or away from the computer. Edited March 19 by MDM 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Chapman Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 hour ago, Julie Edwards said: Devils advocate... That all makes sense... but avoiding one part of the equation that most photographers forget... Time.... (Number of hours trying to solve this problem) x (hourly rate) = (is this less than the cost of a new computer?) I value my time away from the computer .. however I spend it .. Wise words... Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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