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see submitted 27MB JPG at 100% below;
(yes, its ISO 6400, but no noise?)
please help identify reasons for SoLD;
I can't find issue other than typical high ISO
"blocky" look although I'm sure others will;
area in focus includes:
speaker's face edges?
microphone?  left-hand clicker?
face of woman wearing magenta top?
this is learning process for me...
 
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1 hour ago, Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg said:
see submitted 27MB JPG at 100% below;
(yes, its ISO 6400, but no noise?)
please help identify reasons for SoLD;
I can't find issue other than typical high ISO
"blocky" look although I'm sure others will;
 
 

 

It might be better rephrased as "please help find sharp  area(s) of this image". As spacecadet says, there is no detail, presumably destroyed by too much noise reduction. This is a truly iconic SoLD image - or should that be SaLD - it is Soft and it Lacks Definition. It's surprising you can't see how lacking in definition it is Jeff. I guess you are viewing on your laptop. If ever there was a case for using Adobe's highly refined Denoise tool, this is  it. It could be this is pushing the camera too far anyway. 

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thanks for responses, really!
 

I am beginning to see problem...
I thought SoLD referred to "edges"
being sharp or not sharp...
comments here suggest it also
refers to areas BETWEEN edges...
e.g., within a face, not just face profile;
 
I have previously requested Reportage
folder but got no response;
Due to current tremor I've had to shoot
minimum 1/60 which on some indoors
kicks ISO to 6400;
I'm having wonky brain cells zapped
in April, but until then...
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1 hour ago, MDM said:

It might be better rephrased as "please help find sharp  area(s) of this image". As spacecadet says, there is no detail, presumably destroyed by too much noise reduction.

+1

 

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On 12/03/2024 at 19:16, Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg said:

 

Due to current tremor I've had to shoot
minimum 1/60 which on some indoors
kicks ISO to 6400;
I'm having wonky brain cells zapped
in April, but until then...

 

Jeff. Watch this. If you only take Jpegs then forget it. That's not going to work. Or for the moment, or if you use Fuji X trans censors maybe in 4 or 5 months.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Gervais Montacute said:

If you only take Jpegs then forget it.

GervaisM, thanks mate!
yes I start with DNGs out of my Sony RX10 IV;
don't know if my current PC can handle DXO PureRAW 4...?
 
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Still, I would also like to know how to get best ISO 6400 results
using ACR 2024 & Photoshop 2024. To rid "rubbery" skin, etc.,
I tried ACR > Effects > 5% Grain, 90% Size, 90% Roughness...
I'm sure Processing Wizards have a simple secret sauces using just those apps...
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33 minutes ago, Julie Edwards said:

In Photoshop - if a RAW image - open ACR (Camera Raw) , Details, Denoise - Ai Denoise 

 

His computer is too old to run Denoise. This has been the subject of four or probably more than four different threads in the last several months. There is a simple solution - invest in a new computer that can run Denoise but so far no news on that front. 

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13 hours ago, Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg said:
Still, I would also like to know how to get best ISO 6400 results
using ACR 2024 & Photoshop 2024. To rid "rubbery" skin, etc.,
I tried ACR > Effects > 5% Grain, 90% Size, 90% Roughness...
I'm sure Processing Wizards have a simple secret sauces using just those apps...

 

All processing wizards using Adobe 2024 software are using the amazing Denoise as advised multiple times. You don't have to be a processing wizard, you just need to wave the Denoise magic wand (not the Photoshop magic wand tool). You know what that means -  new computer.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, MDM said:

 

All processing wizards using Adobe 2024 software are using the amazing Denoise as advised multiple times. You don't have to be a processing wizard, you just need to wave the Denoise magic wand (not the Photoshop magic wand tool). You know what that means -  new computer.

 

 

Agreed - It sounds as though the computer is no longer "fit for purpose" and not investing is now limiting your business..

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My machine can use LRClassic's DeNoise AI but slowly, matter of minutes.   Since I'm not taking many photos now, this isn't a bottleneck. 

 

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Computer is five or six years old probably.   If I ever have another $2,000 to spare, I'll consider getting a new one and keeping this laptop for mail and writing. 

 

Anyone who's processing more than 15-20 photos a day that need de-noising, yeah, new machine.   For those of us with older machines that can still use DeNoise AI but slowly, one solution is to run a batch of denoising operations and then walk away from the computer for a long walk or watch TV or something.

 

Yeah, it's better if it takes a  couple of seconds.

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3 hours ago, MDM said:

...probably more than four different threads in the last several months.

(17) times 😜
but during that time
a. more powerful GPU's have been introduced...?
b. more advanced laptops have been introduced...?
c. I continue to shoot high ISO salable images
(~10% of total images delayed submission)
(possible solution in progress)
 
Lost business aka income?
yeah, for those who DON'T shoot high ISO &
therefore IMO skip salable photo opportunities;
not I...
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1 hour ago, Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg said:
(17) times 😜
 

 

Yes that might well be accurate. Anyway I'll leave you to it. Best of luck.

 

 

 

 

 

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I'm sure it's been mentioned already, but the NR has obliterated any fine detail in that image. I didn't even have to zoom it - the skin looks like waxwork.

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4 hours ago, Cal said:

I'm sure it's been mentioned already, but the NR has obliterated any fine detail in that image. I didn't even have to zoom it - the skin looks like waxwork.

 

Using the AI noise reduction on its normal settings?  DeNoise? 

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19 hours ago, Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg said:
(17) times 😜
but during that time
a. more powerful GPU's have been introduced...?
b. more advanced laptops have been introduced...?
c. I continue to shoot high ISO salable images
(~10% of total images delayed submission)
(possible solution in progress)
 
Lost business aka income?
yeah, for those who DON'T shoot high ISO &
therefore IMO skip salable photo opportunities;
not I...

 

Devils advocate... 

That all makes sense... but avoiding one part of the equation that most photographers forget...

Time....

(Number of hours trying to solve this problem) x (hourly rate)  = (is this less than the cost of a new computer?) 

 

I value my time away from the computer .. however I spend it ..

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57 minutes ago, Julie Edwards said:

... but avoiding one part of the equation that most photographers forget...

Time....

(Number of hours trying to solve this problem) x (hourly rate)  = (is this less than the cost of a new computer?) 

 

I value my time away from the computer .. however I spend it ..

 

+1 

 

I also value my time on my computer and I'd rather not spend a lot of that time staring at a spinning beachball or waiting for something to finish. Adobe Denoise can be batched so you can run images that need noise reduction (filtered by ISO) through it while doing something else, on or away from the computer. 

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1 hour ago, Julie Edwards said:

 

Devils advocate... 

That all makes sense... but avoiding one part of the equation that most photographers forget...

Time....

(Number of hours trying to solve this problem) x (hourly rate)  = (is this less than the cost of a new computer?) 

 

I value my time away from the computer .. however I spend it ..

Wise words...

 

Mark

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