ribeiroantonio Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 I have been charged an "Affiliate charge for IY02960621 Image P99160" Does anyone know what is this about and why is exists? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 wiskerke Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 8 hours ago, ribeiroantonio said: I have been charged an "Affiliate charge for IY02960621 Image P99160" Does anyone know what is this about and why is exists? Thanks Alamy affiliate program A search with just the word affiliate here on this forum will get you lots of discussions and answers going back to 2017. wim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 meanderingemu Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 1 hour ago, wiskerke said: Alamy affiliate program A search with just the word affiliate here on this forum will get you lots of discussions and answers going back to 2017. wim However still no input from Alamy of why the exponential increase of such charges since the introduction of new contract, which in no way altered affiliates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 ribeiroantonio Posted October 30, 2022 Author Share Posted October 30, 2022 15 hours ago, wiskerke said: Alamy affiliate program A search with just the word affiliate here on this forum will get you lots of discussions and answers going back to 2017. wim I never got involved in any affiliate program. Can Alamy, please, explain? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 VbFolly Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 3 hours ago, ribeiroantonio said: I never got involved in any affiliate program. Can Alamy, please, explain? There is no way to opt out of the Affiliate program. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 gvallee Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 The Affiliate program is good news, these are sales we would not have made otherwise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 meanderingemu Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) On 30/10/2022 at 04:35, gvallee said: The Affiliate program is good news, these are sales we would not have made otherwise. sorry but i am not convinced. Plenty of affiliate links in general are used to thank content producers on the web even if you were going to buy the goods in first place. I know i was assuming the big corporation was paying it out of their marketing budget not passing the cost down to their own small producers Edited October 31, 2022 by meanderingemu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Phil Crean Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, meanderingemu said: assuming the big corporation was paying it out of their marketing budget not passing the cost down to their own small producers This^^^^^^^^^😒 The big guys do the most grabbing always. Phil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Phil Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) @AlamyI have an "Other fees - Affiliate charge..." debited from my account while the image payment is still "Uncleared". Whats with that?? Edited October 31, 2022 by Phil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 ribeiroantonio Posted November 1, 2022 Author Share Posted November 1, 2022 10 hours ago, Phil said: @AlamyI have an "Other fees - Affiliate charge..." debited from my account while the image payment is still "Uncleared". Whats with that?? I wrote an email to Alamy and I received the following answer: These are sales made through affiliate links. Our affiliate program is a scheme where customers and contributors refer visitors to our site from their blog, forum or website and we pay them a share of any sales that are made. You can find out more about this scheme and the commission split here: http://www.alamy.com/customer/help/affiliate-program.aspx In line with your contract you will receive 50% of the funds Alamy receives for an affiliate sale of one of your images. Many Thanks, Louise First: I never referred any visitor to Alamy site, because I don't have any blog, forum or website. Secondly and most importantly: I have been charged $0.89 for Affiliate charge for IY02960621 Image P99160. On that sale, with a number that I don't recognise (P99160) I have been credited $14.90 and debited $8.94. On top of that I have been debited another $0.89 as Affiliate charge. According to the email copied above "you will receive 50% of the funds Alamy receives". Sincerely, I can't find where the 50% of the funds are. Another dubious question is to know exactly what Alamy understands by "funds Alamy receives". Are the funds the total $$$ amount made with the sale(?) and in this case I should receive $7.45. or, it refers to the 60% of the Alamy commission, in which case I should receive $5.96 (my share after Alamy commission) plus $4.47 (50% of the affiliate program)? In conclusion: for a sale of $14.90 I was paid a grand total of $5.07. Alamy charged me, the CONTRIBUTOR (worker), $8.94 as Alamy commission and $089 as other fees / affiliate charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DJ Myford Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 4 hours ago, ribeiroantonio said: I wrote an email to Alamy and I received the following answer: These are sales made through affiliate links. Our affiliate program is a scheme where customers and contributors refer visitors to our site from their blog, forum or website and we pay them a share of any sales that are made. You can find out more about this scheme and the commission split here: http://www.alamy.com/customer/help/affiliate-program.aspx In line with your contract you will receive 50% of the funds Alamy receives for an affiliate sale of one of your images. Many Thanks, Louise First: I never referred any visitor to Alamy site, because I don't have any blog, forum or website. Secondly and most importantly: I have been charged $0.89 for Affiliate charge for IY02960621 Image P99160. On that sale, with a number that I don't recognise (P99160) I have been credited $14.90 and debited $8.94. On top of that I have been debited another $0.89 as Affiliate charge. According to the email copied above "you will receive 50% of the funds Alamy receives". Sincerely, I can't find where the 50% of the funds are. Another dubious question is to know exactly what Alamy understands by "funds Alamy receives". Are the funds the total $$$ amount made with the sale(?) and in this case I should receive $7.45. or, it refers to the 60% of the Alamy commission, in which case I should receive $5.96 (my share after Alamy commission) plus $4.47 (50% of the affiliate program)? In conclusion: for a sale of $14.90 I was paid a grand total of $5.07. Alamy charged me, the CONTRIBUTOR (worker), $8.94 as Alamy commission and $089 as other fees / affiliate charge You are not the one making the referral. It's a third party, via their website, not yours. They receive the affiliate fee as a reward for sending a paying customer to the Alamy site. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 wiskerke Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 On 29/10/2022 at 15:02, wiskerke said: Alamy affiliate program A search with just the word affiliate here on this forum will get you lots of discussions and answers going back to 2017. Google affiliate marketing. It's been around longer than you may think. Wikipedia. Not so long on Alamy: only since 2017, but 13 pages of links to discussions about it on this forum alone. With many answers. wim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 NYCat Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 I didn't get 50% on my recent affiliate sale. The customer paid 149.99. The affiliate got 15% or $22.50 and Alamy took 60% or $76.40. I wound up with $51. Interestingly, the Balance of Account says 51% is Alamy's share but they took 60%. I shall write Alamy. Paulette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 NYCat Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 This was the response from Alamy.... "If you look at the commission table here, you can see in Alamy gold the affiliate commission spilt is 66/34. So, it seems like the commission split is correct. Hope this helps. Kind regards, Chantelle " Alamy Commission models, rates, fees and payment Current models Alamy platinum* Alamy gold Alamy silver Alamy Commission You earn Alamy Commission You earn Alamy Commission You earn For Content sales via Alamy Websites 50% 50% 60% 40% 80% 20% For Content sales via our Distributors after deduction of Distributor fee or commission 60% 40% 60% 40% 80% 20% For Novel Use Content sales 60% 40% 60% 40% 80% 20% For Content sales via an Affiliate 57.5% 42.5% 66% 34% 83% 17% Payment frequency – We will pay you monthly, if your Cleared Funds exceed US $50 *Applicable only to Content that is Exclusive to Alamy when qualifying criteria met. For further details on commission models and qualifying criteria please see clause 12. Paying You & Commission So I don't know what happened with the reply to ribelantonio. It seem totally wrong. Paulette 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Phil Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) 23 hours ago, Phil said: @AlamyI have an "Other fees - Affiliate charge..." debited from my account while the image payment is still "Uncleared". Whats with that?? My concern here is that it appears that the "Affiliate" has been credited/paid their fee prior to Alamy receiving payment for the image licensed (Uncleared). Why should an Affiliate be credited/paid their cut before Alamy receives payment (Cleared)? Affiliate fees should only be credited/paid to the Affiliate and debited from contributors account subsequent to payment received by Alamy (Cleared). Edited November 1, 2022 by Phil 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 meanderingemu Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 6 hours ago, NYCat said: I didn't get 50% on my recent affiliate sale. The customer paid 149.99. The affiliate got 15% or $22.50 and Alamy took 60% or $76.40. I wound up with $51. Interestingly, the Balance of Account says 51% is Alamy's share but they took 60%. I shall write Alamy. Paulette The statement from Alamy "you will receive 50% of the funds Alamy receives " is also incorrect, even if they had the right commission rate, as Alamy receives the Full licence amount in cases of Affiliates, there is no money between the affiliate and the customer, Alamy then sends part of what they received to the Affiliate. Yet again the front line doesn't understand the contributor agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 meanderingemu Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Phil said: My concern here is that it appears that the "Affiliate" has been credited/paid their fee prior to Alamy receiving payment for the image licensed (Uncleared). Why should an Affiliate be credited/paid their cut before Alamy receives payment (Cleared)? Affiliate fees should only be credited/paid to the Affiliate and debited from contributors account subsequent to payment received by Alamy (Cleared). Agreed, and this is how it worked with the traditional Affiliates which are immediately reported at time of sale, but with these accounted later cases, Which again Alamy has not been upfront what they are, we get charged on our balance immediately upon accounting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 meanderingemu Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 6 hours ago, NYCat said: I didn't get 50% on my recent affiliate sale. The customer paid 149.99. The affiliate got 15% or $22.50 and Alamy took 60% or $76.40. I wound up with $51. Interestingly, the Balance of Account says 51% is Alamy's share but they took 60%. I shall write Alamy. Paulette Alamy's net is 51% (76.40/149.99= 51%), affiliate took 15%. But in the end Alamy took 66%, we have no control what they did with it in the end we pay 15% of our commission to the affiliate we are entitled to 40% we get 34% so 6%/40% = 15% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Phil Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 58 minutes ago, meanderingemu said: Agreed, and this is how it worked with the traditional Affiliates which are immediately reported at time of sale, but with these accounted later cases, Which again Alamy has not been upfront what they are, we get charged on our balance immediately upon accounting. In my case the image license Sale was approx 1 month prior to the date that the Affiliate fee debit was posted to my account. The image license Sale remains Uncleared. In essence I've paid the Affiliate fee out of my pocket as the license Sale is still unpaid by the buyer - and may never Clear. Then I'd have to hassle CR to credit the fee back to my account. Just debit the fee's after the Sale payment has Cleared. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 meanderingemu Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Phil said: In my case the image license Sale was approx 1 month prior to the date that the Affiliate fee debit was posted to my account. The image license Sale remains Uncleared. In essence I've paid the Affiliate fee out of my pocket as the license Sale is still unpaid by the buyer - and may never Clear. Then I'd have to hassle CR to credit the fee back to my account. Just debit the fee's after the Sale payment has Cleared. These have been happening every month end since the New Agreement, though the Agreement in No way affected Affiliates, and Alamy has yet to provide Information why this is. Today I have a regular (old type) affiliate, amount is just deducted from total fee, and will not clear until my side clears. The issue are these new Affiliates which Alamy seems to have change the accounting practice, and have also greatly increase the number of such Affiliate charges. but still silence from Alamy as to where these are from (i could speculate) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Alamy Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 18 hours ago, NYCat said: This was the response from Alamy.... "If you look at the commission table here, you can see in Alamy gold the affiliate commission spilt is 66/34. So, it seems like the commission split is correct. Hope this helps. Kind regards, Chantelle " Alamy Commission models, rates, fees and payment Current models Alamy platinum* Alamy gold Alamy silver Alamy Commission You earn Alamy Commission You earn Alamy Commission You earn For Content sales via Alamy Websites 50% 50% 60% 40% 80% 20% For Content sales via our Distributors after deduction of Distributor fee or commission 60% 40% 60% 40% 80% 20% For Novel Use Content sales 60% 40% 60% 40% 80% 20% For Content sales via an Affiliate 57.5% 42.5% 66% 34% 83% 17% Payment frequency – We will pay you monthly, if your Cleared Funds exceed US $50 *Applicable only to Content that is Exclusive to Alamy when qualifying criteria met. For further details on commission models and qualifying criteria please see clause 12. Paying You & Commission So I don't know what happened with the reply to ribelantonio. It seem totally wrong. Paulette Hi All, The commission table above is now the correct commission split for affiliate sales. Previously it was a 50% commission split however due to the commission change in July 2021, this changed the percentage contributor's receive depending on which Alamy tier they are in. Thanks, Alamy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 meanderingemu Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 23 minutes ago, Alamy said: Hi All, The commission table above is now the correct commission split for affiliate sales. Previously it was a 50% commission split however due to the commission change in July 2021, this changed the percentage contributor's receive depending on which Alamy tier they are in. Thanks, Alamy So you are saying OP had a sale from last year that just got reported? Also Should i contact CS for affiliate sales prior to July 2021 where is did not get 50% commission? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 ribeiroantonio Posted November 2, 2022 Author Share Posted November 2, 2022 13 hours ago, Alamy said: Hi All, The commission table above is now the correct commission split for affiliate sales. Previously it was a 50% commission split however due to the commission change in July 2021, this changed the percentage contributor's receive depending on which Alamy tier they are in. Thanks, Alamy My apologies for the Administrator that wrote the quoted answer but, you people at Alamy, have to come absolutely clear about your policies. Your answer above does not match the answer I got from Louise: In line with your contract you will receive 50% of the funds Alamy receives for an affiliate sale of one of your images. This type of situation, as well as not answering to the contributors questions, lack professionalism and credibility. We, contributors, are the hard workers that make all the money generated by this site and, certainly, deserve a bit more of respect. As any game, it has three sides, the Alamy side, the Contributors side but, unfortunately, the third side called UMPIRE/REFEREE is missing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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I have been charged an "Affiliate charge for IY02960621 Image P99160"
Does anyone know what is this about and why is exists?
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