Robbie Shaw Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Hi, I have thousands upon thousands of high quality 35mm colour slides. Many of these of jet aircraft taken from the cockpit of fighter aircraft in the air. For the first time I sent a scan of a 35mm slide to QC, and it failed because of noise. This is despite the fact I used the 'reduce noise' function in Photoshop. How can I get rid of this noise please. Thanks, Robbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Hi Robbie There is another thread on the use of scanned slides floating around. These fighter jet images may well be acceptable under the Archival route, if you can't get them through standard QC. The quality standard is lower, and the images are permanently marked as such, but you have to persuade Alamy that they are suitable to use as Archival material. Re scanning, switch off every bell and whistle on your scanner and do all of your processing in LR and or PS. Consider downsizing the images before submitting. I have not been able to make 35 mm scans that are good enough for me to consider uploading as standard stock, while using an Epson 4990 Photo flatbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 It'd be justified if the aeroplanes are no longer in squadron service or otherwise historic. For my archive I applied a pretty obvious test: if the subject of the image is still there, it's not usually archive, it's just an old photo. Unless the surroundings have changed. Which probably doesn't apply at 35000ft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 What scanner are you using? Have you considered copying them using a DSLR with macro lens instead of scanning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Shaw Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 Hi thanks for info. I am using an Epson V500 flatbed which excellent. I used to have a Nikon Coolscan which was absolute rubbish. Will have a try with DSLR Macro. Thanks, Robbie Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Shaw Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 13 hours ago, spacecadet said: It'd be justified if the aeroplanes are no longer in squadron service or otherwise historic. For my archive I applied a pretty obvious test: if the subject of the image is still there, it's not usually archive, it's just an old photo. Unless the surroundings have changed. Which probably doesn't apply at 35000ft. Thanks for the info. Is there a link to sending material on Archive route ? Many air-air slides I could put on, most of which as you say no longer current. Thanks, Robbie Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Shaw Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 13 hours ago, Bryan said: Hi Robbie There is another thread on the use of scanned slides floating around. These fighter jet images may well be acceptable under the Archival route, if you can't get them through standard QC. The quality standard is lower, and the images are permanently marked as such, but you have to persuade Alamy that they are suitable to use as Archival material. Re scanning, switch off every bell and whistle on your scanner and do all of your processing in LR and or PS. Consider downsizing the images before submitting. I have not been able to make 35 mm scans that are good enough for me to consider uploading as standard stock, while using an Epson 4990 Photo flatbed. Thanks Bryan. I assume there is a link to submitting on Archival route. Lots of air-air shots I could put on. Many thanks, Robbie Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 http://www.alamy.com/registration/archive_upload_apply.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Shaw Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, spacecadet said: http://www.alamy.com/registration/archive_upload_apply.aspx Many thanks. Robbie Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inchiquin Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 15 minutes ago, Robbie Shaw said: Hi thanks for info. I am using an Epson V500 flatbed which excellent. I used to have a Nikon Coolscan which was absolute rubbish. There are Coolscans and there are Coolscans. The earlier ones (2 and 3) were probably better than anything else around in their time but are woefully inadequate by today's standards. 4 was a lot better and 5 better still. There is also software and software. I never liked the Nikon software and struggled until I discovered VueScan. And then there is film and there is film. Kodachrome is notoriously difficult to scan, for instance. What I'm saying is that scanning slides to professional standards requires hard work and the right processing chain from film to file. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Shaw Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 Cannot remember what Coolscan it was - two friends had the same machine and we all ditched it. Yes as you say the Kodachrome is very difficult to scan, amazing how much dust gets on slides ! Thanks, Robbie Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inchiquin Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I'm not 100% sure, but as far as I know the only scanner that will do dust removal for Kodachrome is the Coolscan 9000, which costs a small fortune. Otherwise it has to be done manually. Chuck (The Original One) posts here from time to time about his slide cleaning method which is comprehensive and effective. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vpics Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I seem to remember that using anti-noise software makes the image softer. Or was it anti-dust software? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinS Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I've had the Coolscan V and now 8000ED and I'd be surprised if any flatbed comes close. If I were to spend time scanning it would only be with a dedicated film scanner. Try the noise reduction in DxO's PhotoLab software; free trial available. It does soften the image somewhat , but you really have to try it to see. Sorry, it's been quite a while since I last did this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nacke Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Thanks Alan, Have not warmed up my CanoScans in years, but if I was going to scan a chrome I would remove it from the slide mount, clean it carefully with PRC-12 using PEC-PADS and then turn off all auto retouching and scan it to 16bit TIFF's in aRGB color. I've scanned a lot of Kodachrome and never had a problem. For the record I do use CanoScans FS4000's to scan film, I do not use the USB, I have an ADAPTEC 16bit PCMCIA card that I use to connect the 4000 to an old LENOVO T-62 laptop. I also do not use any Canon or third party software to do the scanning. I do all work on the image after I have moved it to a desktop with CS. Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inchiquin Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 hours ago, vpics said: I seem to remember that using anti-noise software makes the image softer. Or was it anti-dust software? I would imagine both do. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Shaw Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 Certainly I have found that in Photoshop reducing noise does seem tom soften the sharpness. Thanks Robbie Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Shaw Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Chuck Nacke said: Thanks Alan, Have not warmed up my CanoScans in years, but if I was going to scan a chrome I would remove it from the slide mount, clean it carefully with PRC-12 using PEC-PADS and then turn off all auto retouching and scan it to 16bit TIFF's in aRGB color. I've scanned a lot of Kodachrome and never had a problem. For the record I do use CanoScans FS4000's to scan film, I do not use the USB, I have an ADAPTEC 16bit PCMCIA card that I use to connect the 4000 to an old LENOVO T-62 laptop. I also do not use any Canon or third party software to do the scanning. I do all work on the image after I have moved it to a desktop with CS. Chuck Interesting, thanks for your comments. Robbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Shaw Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 4 hours ago, KevinS said: I've had the Coolscan V and now 8000ED and I'd be surprised if any flatbed comes close. If I were to spend time scanning it would only be with a dedicated film scanner. Try the noise reduction in DxO's PhotoLab software; free trial available. It does soften the image somewhat , but you really have to try it to see. Sorry, it's been quite a while since I last did this. Might give this a try. Thanks, Robbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Shaw Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 7 hours ago, Robbie Shaw said: Many thanks. Robbie Shaw Looked at the site and tried to load a shot. I no longer have a website so it seems you cannot load an individual shot as it asked for website address. Robbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 43 minutes ago, Robbie Shaw said: Certainly I have found that in Photoshop reducing noise does seem tom soften the sharpness. Thanks Robbie Shaw You should be able to NR a RAW quite a bit without losing sharpness. I can certainly go up to 50 in LR on high ISO 39 minutes ago, Robbie Shaw said: Looked at the site and tried to load a shot. I no longer have a website so it seems you cannot load an individual shot as it asked for website address. Robbie You can't upload on that page- you have to give the URL where the images are hosted. I used photobucket- Alamy don't mind the ads. http://s5.photobucket.com/user/markrhdunn/library/archive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoDogue Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 On 12/31/2017 at 11:28, Robbie Shaw said: Hi, I have thousands upon thousands of high quality 35mm colour slides. Many of these of jet aircraft taken from the cockpit of fighter aircraft in the air. For the first time I sent a scan of a 35mm slide to QC, and it failed because of noise. This is despite the fact I used the 'reduce noise' function in Photoshop. How can I get rid of this noise please. Thanks, Robbie Are you referring to noise or grain? If it's noise maybe you need to clean your cable connections or replace the cables. What kind of film are you scanning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 The OP means image noise, not interference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Shaw Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 22 hours ago, spacecadet said: You should be able to NR a RAW quite a bit without losing sharpness. I can certainly go up to 50 in LR on high ISO You can't upload on that page- you have to give the URL where the images are hosted. I used photobucket- Alamy don't mind the ads. http://s5.photobucket.com/user/markrhdunn/library/archive Great suggestion, think that is the way to go. Appreciate your help. Robbie Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Shaw Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 Alamy are saying 'noise', but I suppose it could be grain. Though shots were taken on K64 which was good for lack of grain. Robbie Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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