VbFolly Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 I think the black and white one is a border collie, but don't have any idea about the other one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCat Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Jill will have the answers. Paulette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VbFolly Posted October 3, 2023 Author Share Posted October 3, 2023 14 minutes ago, NYCat said: Jill will have the answers. Paulette Yes, I'm sure you're right. She's very knowledgeable about dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Norwood Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 I think the black and white one is a border collie cross, possibly with a spaniel. The big grey one looks like an Irish Wolfhound. Hopefully Jill will know! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) Irish wolfhound - maybe not purebred but a lot of wolfhound I would guess - looks a bit small for an adult wolfhound. Edited October 3, 2023 by MDM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VbFolly Posted October 3, 2023 Author Share Posted October 3, 2023 Thanks very much Sue & MDM. That's very helpful for tagging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Morgan Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Yes, Irish Wolfhound and Border collie. Sorry, missed the post. Jill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VbFolly Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Jill Morgan said: Yes, Irish Wolfhound and Border collie. Sorry, missed the post. Jill Thanks for the confirmation, Jill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebecca Ore Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 20 hours ago, MDM said: Irish wolfhound - maybe not purebred but a lot of wolfhound I would guess - looks a bit small for an adult wolfhound. I'd say Irish Wolfhound puppy. They grow for three years if I'm remembering correctly. Not fully mature until 2 at least. Also, puppies tend to look at strangers more affectionately than adults of any sight hound breed. Border collie for the other one works as Border Collies in genuinely sheep raising areas are not bred for looks but for sheep herding ability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Morgan Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 28 minutes ago, Rebecca Ore said: I'd say Irish Wolfhound puppy. They grow for three years if I'm remembering correctly. Not fully mature until 2 at least. Also, puppies tend to look at strangers more affectionately than adults of any sight hound breed. Border collie for the other one works as Border Collies in genuinely sheep raising areas are not bred for looks but for sheep herding ability. I attend a few sheep herding trials and people who breed working border collies fought for a long time not to have the Border Collie added as a registered purebred dog. Worried about breeding for looks instead of working ability. Breeding form over function. You see this quite often in Quarter Horses. It has become popular to breed them with small feet because it looks prettier and more streamlined. Quarter Horses are bulky and can weight over 1200 lbs, even though they aren't super tall. Two of the worst hoof diseases have become rampant in Quarter Horses - Navicular disease and founder. We destroy because we want it prettier. Jill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VbFolly Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 47 minutes ago, Rebecca Ore said: I'd say Irish Wolfhound puppy. They grow for three years if I'm remembering correctly. Not fully mature until 2 at least. Also, puppies tend to look at strangers more affectionately than adults of any sight hound breed. Border collie for the other one works as Border Collies in genuinely sheep raising areas are not bred for looks but for sheep herding ability. Thanks, Rebecca. Yes, I think the Irish Wolfhound is not fully grown, so I will add puppy to the keywords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 3 hours ago, VbFolly said: Thanks, Rebecca. Yes, I think the Irish Wolfhound is not fully grown, so I will add puppy to the keywords. Shaggy dog? Allan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VbFolly Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 29 minutes ago, Allan Bell said: Shaggy dog? Allan Oh yes - good idea! Thanks Allan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebecca Ore Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 11 hours ago, Jill Morgan said: I attend a few sheep herding trials and people who breed working border collies fought for a long time not to have the Border Collie added as a registered purebred dog. Worried about breeding for looks instead of working ability. Breeding form over function. You see this quite often in Quarter Horses. It has become popular to breed them with small feet because it looks prettier and more streamlined. Quarter Horses are bulky and can weight over 1200 lbs, even though they aren't super tall. Two of the worst hoof diseases have become rampant in Quarter Horses - Navicular disease and founder. We destroy because we want it prettier. Jill Friend talked about the mess one could find in Arab horse strains that became fashionable, too. She knew of a halter champion who was actually lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 That big Irish hound stretches the concept of the term puppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebecca Ore Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 9 hours ago, Ed Rooney said: That big Irish hound stretches the concept of the term puppy. Grown males reach almost three feet at the shoulder with all feet on the ground, weigh up to 180 lbs. The puppy seems to be under that. I've interacted with adult Irish Wolfhounds at dog shows. They're impressive animals. Someone in the dog show world told me about someone's Irish Wolfhound getting loose, going after a deer and they could never find him again. They are not quite as bad as some sight hounds (Salukis) where the main use they have for humans is taking them out to hunt. Whippets seem to be the most affable in the more usual dog ways. Afghans close, but still running beasties. Because IWs were a reconstructed breed for show rather than actual going after wolves, they were selected to be quite gentle since a dog that size who wasn't would be very dangerous. Last wolf in Ireland was 1786. Wikipedia has a good article on the Irish Wolfhound, as in real information based on archeology and DNA studies and stuff, not the romance that the current dog is a direct descendent of Irish war dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Richmond Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 On 05/10/2023 at 18:09, Rebecca Ore said: Grown males reach almost three feet at the shoulder with all feet on the ground, weigh up to 180 lbs. The puppy seems to be under that. I've interacted with adult Irish Wolfhounds at dog shows. They're impressive animals. Someone in the dog show world told me about someone's Irish Wolfhound getting loose, going after a deer and they could never find him again. They are not quite as bad as some sight hounds (Salukis) where the main use they have for humans is taking them out to hunt. Whippets seem to be the most affable in the more usual dog ways. Afghans close, but still running beasties. Because IWs were a reconstructed breed for show rather than actual going after wolves, they were selected to be quite gentle since a dog that size who wasn't would be very dangerous. Last wolf in Ireland was 1786. Wikipedia has a good article on the Irish Wolfhound, as in real information based on archeology and DNA studies and stuff, not the romance that the current dog is a direct descendent of Irish war dogs. They certainly are impressive dogs. I still remember the very diminutive Florence Nagle, owner of the famous Sulhamstead Wolfhounds, turning up at Championship shows in the 70's (she'd be in her late 70's at the time) and unloading 5 or 6 hounds, each of which were probably double her weight, from her horsebox before leading them to the benches and thence into the ring. Docile and very good natured despite their size. Whippets are very trainable - I've owned three and my parents bred and showed them - and a little less inclined to hare off after anything small and furry. But don't rely on it. The bigger sighthounds can either be totally disinterested in the chase - or, when they're not coursing each other - will take off after anything that looks like prey and then return at a time of their own choosing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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