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I am wondering about contributors' current experience of distribution sales. 

Are you happy with the prices you receive?  Have you had any reasonable fees

in the past year?  I am currently opted out,  considering opting in April.

 

Thank you,

Kathy

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5 minutes ago, geogphotos said:

 

At a quick count through my 2020 Spreadsheet for Alamy I get around 80 PU sales out of c 400.

That's a good number, still not quite convinced, though.

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1 minute ago, Colblimp said:

That's a good number, still not quite convinced, though.

 

 

Just providing information, not trying to convince you. 

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22 hours ago, geogphotos said:

I've had some good fees eg) Germany

 

 

+1.

Germany does improve things a bit. Prices seem to be holding up there (France too) and 30% of a good fee can beat 50% of a poor one.

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5 hours ago, gvallee said:

Don't forget that if, like me, you're opted out of PU, you're also opted out of most distributors. My distro sales have dried up since I opted out of PU. I just couldn't stomach PU mis-uses. Before anyone asks, I did catch a few and Alamy did chase. I once got a $200 'correction' fee. Use was a CD cover.

 

Hi Gen, I'm wondering how you go with Australian images and distribution sales, or at least how those images went before you opted out of PU and the distro sales dried up? My images are mostly from Western Australia, a tiny amount from Tasmania and South Australia, several from Bhutan and 4 bird images from NZ.

 

Basically I have imagined distro sales of Australian images would largely be to overseas countries interested in travel/tourism, which is obviously an area with not much happening for the foreseeable future, but I could be wrong in thinking that this is what distro sales are largely about. I guess news stories from Australia may also sell to overseas distributors.

 

Like you I am opted out of PU and reluctant to opt in. If it restricts distro sales it might not be worth it anyway. If I had a portfolio of images from many parts of the world it seems it might be much more likely to be able to sell through distribution. So was just wondering if many of your Oz images have sold as distro?

 

P.S. Don't feel you have to reveal specifics about how many Australian images you've sold via distribution. You might not want to do that. I'm just wondering if there is any point in me opting in for distribution with my geographically limited portfolio?

 

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To my mind there is no assurance of distributors accurately invoicing/accounting. I don't know who they are. Are they reputable? The opportunity is there for misreporting. I'm also not enamoured at 70% being deducted on a $3 sale. I may change my mind someday but for now I remain out. 

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18 minutes ago, Sultanpepa said:

To my mind there is no assurance of distributors accurately invoicing/accounting. 

In my experience the same can be said of the major UK newspaper titles, with higher figures involved. At least if a distro gets away with it then you've only lost a few bucks.

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6 hours ago, Avpics said:

In my experience the same can be said of the major UK newspaper titles, with higher figures involved. At least if a distro gets away with it then you've only lost a few bucks.

 

Not necessarily. What they put it through the books as might not necessarily be what they're charging the customer. I'm not saying this happens but do we know it doesn't? What kind of checks are done? I'm not comfortable with the carve up or the process.

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9 hours ago, Sally R said:

 

Hi Gen, I'm wondering how you go with Australian images and distribution sales, or at least how those images went before you opted out of PU and the distro sales dried up? My images are mostly from Western Australia, a tiny amount from Tasmania and South Australia, several from Bhutan and 4 bird images from NZ.

 

Basically I have imagined distro sales of Australian images would largely be to overseas countries interested in travel/tourism, which is obviously an area with not much happening for the foreseeable future, but I could be wrong in thinking that this is what distro sales are largely about. I guess news stories from Australia may also sell to overseas distributors.

 

Like you I am opted out of PU and reluctant to opt in. If it restricts distro sales it might not be worth it anyway. If I had a portfolio of images from many parts of the world it seems it might be much more likely to be able to sell through distribution. So was just wondering if many of your Oz images have sold as distro?

 

P.S. Don't feel you have to reveal specifics about how many Australian images you've sold via distribution. You might not want to do that. I'm just wondering if there is any point in me opting in for distribution with my geographically limited portfolio?

 

 

Sally, I know that I had 270 distro sales in total but there is no easy way for me to look at what they were. You have started me on an interesting analysis. Yes, one more spreadsheet. I am on the road today but I will get back to you as soon as I can. No problems sharing my data. Bear with me.

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2 hours ago, gvallee said:

Sally, I know that I had 270 distro sales in total but there is no easy way for me to look at what they were. You have started me on an interesting analysis. Yes, one more spreadsheet. I am on the road today but I will get back to you as soon as I can. No problems sharing my data. Bear with me.

 

Thanks Gen! Only go to as much trouble as you want and if it's interesting to find out. Happy travels wherever you are right now. I was really impressed by your long exposure image of the power plant at Biloela. I then realised I watched a program on Biloela not that long ago on the ABC show Back Roads. I don't know if you ever watch that but they go to various lesser known Australian towns and get to know the people and place (something you would be doing on a regular basis!). It can be seen on ABC iView, but I'm guessing you may know about it already.

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4 hours ago, Sally R said:

 

Thanks Gen! Only go to as much trouble as you want and if it's interesting to find out. Happy travels wherever you are right now. I was really impressed by your long exposure image of the power plant at Biloela. I then realised I watched a program on Biloela not that long ago on the ABC show Back Roads. I don't know if you ever watch that but they go to various lesser known Australian towns and get to know the people and place (something you would be doing on a regular basis!). It can be seen on ABC iView, but I'm guessing you may know about it already.

 

Righto Sally. I've gone back only to 1st Jan. 2016 because it's rather tedious and I'm not sure it proves anything. I do not photograph people, so as such, I am not a high seller. You will probably do much better than me.

 

From 01/01/16 to today:

Total distro sales of Oz images: 56 (out of 95)

Below is sorted by Sold To country

 

Sale Date Gross Subject Sold To Usage
23/10/2018 20.3 Figtree Brazil Book
14/09/2018 20.06 Insect Brazil Book
14/07/2017 23.4 River Brazil Book
16/09/2016 25.62 Outback Brazil Book
13/05/2016 24.87 Lake Brazil Book
19/02/2016 23.03 Outback Brazil Book
14/01/2019 8.75 Seal China Travel Brochures
31/07/2018 113.92 Wave China Packaging, boxes and containers
20/01/2020 3.44 Bird Czech Editorial website
23/04/2018 3.55 Beach Czech General Business Services
22/02/2018 3.52 Plane Wreck Czech Media, Design, Publishing
15/09/2017 3.48 Beach Czech Media, Design, Publishing
13/04/2018 2.37 Wildlife Estonia General Business Services
8/12/2016 4.15 Spider EU Media, Design, Publishing
8/12/2016 4.15 Spider EU Media, Design, Publishing
15/05/2019 37.53 Mission Beach Germany Travel Brochures
15/05/2019 37.53 Kiama Germany Travel Brochures
13/03/2019 21.62 Cairns Germany Education
8/02/2019 10.98 Sunset Germany Magazine
14/01/2019 8.75 Bird Germany Travel Brochures
14/01/2019 8.75 Bird Germany Travel Brochures
14/01/2019 8.75 Bird Germany Travel Brochures
14/01/2019 8.75 Seal Germany Travel Brochures
14/01/2019 26.24 Cairns Beach Germany Travel Brochures
14/01/2019 26.24 Horizontal Falls Germany Travel Brochures
14/01/2019 26.24 Kangaroo Island Germany Travel Brochures
8/10/2018 38.87 Rainforest Germany Book
8/06/2018 34.1 Bird Germany Magazine
8/05/2018 40.33 Outback Germany Travel Brochures
4/05/2018 25.98 Bird Germany Puzzle
10/04/2018 80.14 Machinery Germany Magazine
8/03/2018 82.05 Beach Germany Newspaper
15/01/2018 23.88 Outback Germany Media, Design, Publishing
8/12/2017 40.62 Croc Germany Packaging/software/CD/Music
12/04/2017 26.04 Place of Interest Germany Book
12/04/2017 26.04 Place of Interest Germany Book
12/04/2017 26.04 RFDS Germany Book
12/10/2018 15.46 Beach Italy Television
12/04/2018 21.32 Trees Italy Magazine
31/07/2018 100.37 Lake Japan Banking and Finance
10/05/2018 43.18 Lake Japan Book
8/12/2017 33.44 Bird Japan Book
9/02/2017 33.03 Ants Japan Book
9/02/2017 22.3 Outback Japan Book
20/12/2017 26.69 Rock formations Russia Magazine
21/07/2020 3.24 Bats Serbia Editorial website
20/04/2020 3.14 Outback Slovenia Editorial website
23/03/2017 5.16 Spider Slovenia Media, Design, Publishing
11/10/2016 31.03 Building South Africa Book
19/03/2018 7.13 Beach Spain Media, Design, Publishing
19/03/2018 7.13 Beach Spain Media, Design, Publishing
19/03/2018 7.13 Beach Spain Media, Design, Publishing
23/12/2016 26.4 Beach Taiwan Magazine
19/07/2018 7.8 Lord Howe Turkey Newspaper
11/04/2018 12.3 Bird Turkey Magazine
12/05/2017 10.7 Beach Turkey Magazine

 

 

Hope this helps!!

 

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4 hours ago, Sally R said:

ABC show Back Roads. I don't know if you ever watch that but they go to various lesser known Australian towns and get to know the people and place (something you would be doing on a regular basis!). It can be seen on ABC iView, but I'm guessing you may know about it already.

 

It was the only program I used to watch when we lived in a house in Cairns. Loved it. I love everything rural.

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On 18/01/2021 at 06:52, Kathy deWitt said:

I am wondering about contributors' current experience of distribution sales. 

Are you happy with the prices you receive?  Have you had any reasonable fees

in the past year?  I am currently opted out,  considering opting in April.

 

Thank you,

Kathy

Just my own thoughts based on my experience of over 30 years in the international photo agency / library business.

 

If my agent / library works with a sub distributor, they have checked them out and they trust them, I do 

not work with or allow any agent or library to license my images that I do not trust, I trust Alamy and my opinion 

is that if Alamy trusts them so do I.  Yes I have had distribution licenses to Czech (formerly part of Czechoslovakia)

for $3.00 USD, but they always included other licenses (same image) for better amounts with other distributors and with direct

licenses via Alamy.

 

While I have not agreed with everything that Alamy does,  I do support Alamy and their ability to license my work

world wide.  What is good for Alamy is good for me.

 

Just my opinion, not telling anyone what to do.

 

Chuck (still the original one.)

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2 hours ago, gvallee said:

Righto Sally. I've gone back only to 1st Jan. 2016 because it's rather tedious and I'm not sure it proves anything. I do not photograph people, so as such, I am not a high seller. You will probably do much better than me.

 

From 01/01/16 to today:

Total distro sales of Oz images: 56 (out of 95)

Below is sorted by Sold To country

 

Sale Date Gross Subject Sold To Usage
23/10/2018 20.3 Figtree Brazil Book
14/09/2018 20.06 Insect Brazil Book
14/07/2017 23.4 River Brazil Book
16/09/2016 25.62 Outback Brazil Book
13/05/2016 24.87 Lake Brazil Book
19/02/2016 23.03 Outback Brazil Book
14/01/2019 8.75 Seal China Travel Brochures
31/07/2018 113.92 Wave China Packaging, boxes and containers
20/01/2020 3.44 Bird Czech Editorial website
23/04/2018 3.55 Beach Czech General Business Services
22/02/2018 3.52 Plane Wreck Czech Media, Design, Publishing
15/09/2017 3.48 Beach Czech Media, Design, Publishing
13/04/2018 2.37 Wildlife Estonia General Business Services
8/12/2016 4.15 Spider EU Media, Design, Publishing
8/12/2016 4.15 Spider EU Media, Design, Publishing
15/05/2019 37.53 Mission Beach Germany Travel Brochures
15/05/2019 37.53 Kiama Germany Travel Brochures
13/03/2019 21.62 Cairns Germany Education
8/02/2019 10.98 Sunset Germany Magazine
14/01/2019 8.75 Bird Germany Travel Brochures
14/01/2019 8.75 Bird Germany Travel Brochures
14/01/2019 8.75 Bird Germany Travel Brochures
14/01/2019 8.75 Seal Germany Travel Brochures
14/01/2019 26.24 Cairns Beach Germany Travel Brochures
14/01/2019 26.24 Horizontal Falls Germany Travel Brochures
14/01/2019 26.24 Kangaroo Island Germany Travel Brochures
8/10/2018 38.87 Rainforest Germany Book
8/06/2018 34.1 Bird Germany Magazine
8/05/2018 40.33 Outback Germany Travel Brochures
4/05/2018 25.98 Bird Germany Puzzle
10/04/2018 80.14 Machinery Germany Magazine
8/03/2018 82.05 Beach Germany Newspaper
15/01/2018 23.88 Outback Germany Media, Design, Publishing
8/12/2017 40.62 Croc Germany Packaging/software/CD/Music
12/04/2017 26.04 Place of Interest Germany Book
12/04/2017 26.04 Place of Interest Germany Book
12/04/2017 26.04 RFDS Germany Book
12/10/2018 15.46 Beach Italy Television
12/04/2018 21.32 Trees Italy Magazine
31/07/2018 100.37 Lake Japan Banking and Finance
10/05/2018 43.18 Lake Japan Book
8/12/2017 33.44 Bird Japan Book
9/02/2017 33.03 Ants Japan Book
9/02/2017 22.3 Outback Japan Book
20/12/2017 26.69 Rock formations Russia Magazine
21/07/2020 3.24 Bats Serbia Editorial website
20/04/2020 3.14 Outback Slovenia Editorial website
23/03/2017 5.16 Spider Slovenia Media, Design, Publishing
11/10/2016 31.03 Building South Africa Book
19/03/2018 7.13 Beach Spain Media, Design, Publishing
19/03/2018 7.13 Beach Spain Media, Design, Publishing
19/03/2018 7.13 Beach Spain Media, Design, Publishing
23/12/2016 26.4 Beach Taiwan Magazine
19/07/2018 7.8 Lord Howe Turkey Newspaper
11/04/2018 12.3 Bird Turkey Magazine
12/05/2017 10.7 Beach Turkey Magazine

 

 

Hope this helps!!

 

Wow, thanks Gen! I wasn't expecting so much detail, but thanks for going to that effort! That's very helpful. Lots of nature-based stuff in there which is what I like to photograph. It may be worth me giving distribution a go.

 

I've wondered about whether buyers, if they really want a particular subject, will find it on Alamy anyway and thus the commission would not be split three ways. But I guess the whole point of distribution is that Alamy have feelers out into markets where there are buyers who may not otherwise access certain subjects via Alamy, and as several have said, any sale is better than no sale.

 

So I will consider it a bit further and possibly opt in. Many thanks again!

 

I don't photograph people a lot either (but they do appear in my images here and there), so I'm not sure I'll do better and I also think you have an amazing collection of images. But I love getting out and taking photographs. I love all things rural too, and hope to explore more of regional Australia and capture some rural life, scenery etc.

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Update:  I've just opted in to Distro and will see how it goes until April when I'll decide whether to stay in or opt out.

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4 hours ago, Colblimp said:

Update:  I've just opted in to Distro and will see how it goes until April when I'll decide whether to stay in or opt out.

 

We're almost end of January. You'll be very lucky if you have distro sales reported by April. Distributors are very slow to report, it's more like 6 months. Sometimes I even have the feeling that some distributors report only once a year.

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26 minutes ago, gvallee said:

 

We're almost end of January. You'll be very lucky if you have distro sales reported by April. Distributors are very slow to report, it's more like 6 months. Sometimes I even have the feeling that some distributors report only once a year.

If I have no sales by April, I'll stay in Distro 'til next year.

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