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This is today’s Alamy advert on Google? I thought we are not allowed to upload NT property images, but I see hundreds of locations that were removed a few years ago. Have things changed?
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We all contribute to the NT whether in membership or gift aid, so are we now allowed to photograph?

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No.

The NT is trying to establish a monopoly for its own library (which it puts on Alamy) by forcing Alamy to remove images taken at some of its properties, but they can't control all of them- taken from public footpaths, for example, or on property you don't pay to enter.

There has been a lot of discussion here over the years, but basically the NT is abusing a byelaw passed 60 years ago to stop itinerant photographers.

And by the way we're not "all" members- I wouldn't be seen dead with an NT membership card, and a few here have cancelled theirs just because of this grasping policy. If a business behaved this way it would be hung by the heels in the court of public opinion, but as long as the NT has such a saintly image with said public it's a losing battle. Well, lost.

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I very much agree. The point I was making is that the whole population contrbutes to the NT via gift aid and tax exemptions, therefore we all have a stake in NT policy.

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Much though I dislike their high handed approach over photography, and have said so in the past, I have continued with membership and, God forbid, even do some volunteering for them. I wouldn't want to be without the chance to wander around the wonderful Cragside estate several times a year or to lose the chance of visiting so many other properties on our travels in the UK.  

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5 hours ago, philtheclick said:

This is today’s Alamy advert on Google?

When you say advert do you mean one of those Google algorithm things that appear to describe exactly what you are looking for? I've no idea how they work or how they're paid for but I'm a little surprised if Alamy are actually advertising their National Trust images given the sensitivity. Strangely by random clicking on the first few pages of the 97,756 images on Alamy that came up in the search for 'National Trust' I found several from regular contributors on this forum but none from the actual National Trust Photo Library, who seem to have 45,687 images on Alamy currently. Most of these front runners could have been taken from outside N.T. properties, but not all of them. Some were from the National Trust for Scotland which might have a different policy. No, I wouldn't join the National Trust, partly due to their photography policy which Spacecadet has described succintly and partly for their high-handed attitude to locals at a property near my home. 

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I am not offering to start this because I don't have the skills.

 

But I do think it would be a great idea to have a petition from stock photographers objecting to the NT Photo Library's policies toward legitimate photography of OUR national heritage.

 

I would be very willing to get involved if somebody with more know-how did offer to get this going.

 

It has been festering for too long and they need to be confronted. The campaign could point out how so many of us and our families do not pay a membership fee and how they are losing out far more through that than their monopolistic fantasies.

 

The National Trust Photo Library need a kick up the RRs.

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7 hours ago, philtheclick said:
This is today’s Alamy advert on Google? I thought we are not allowed to upload NT property images, but I see hundreds of locations that were removed a few years ago. Have things changed?
Find the perfect national trust stock photo. Huge collection, amazing choice, 100+ million high quality, affordable RF and RM images. No need to register, buy now!
 
We all contribute to the NT whether in membership or gift aid, so are we now allowed to photograph?

 

53 minutes ago, Harry Harrison said:

When you say advert do you mean one of those Google algorithm things that appear to describe exactly what you are looking for? I've no idea how they work or how they're paid for but I'm a little surprised if Alamy are actually advertising their National Trust images given the sensitivity. Strangely by random clicking on the first few pages of the 97,756 images on Alamy that came up in the search for 'National Trust' I found several from regular contributors on this forum but none from the actual National Trust Photo Library, who seem to have 45,687 images on Alamy currently. Most of these front runners could have been taken from outside N.T. properties, but not all of them. Some were from the National Trust for Scotland which might have a different policy. No, I wouldn't join the National Trust, partly due to their photography policy which Spacecadet has described succintly and partly for their high-handed attitude to locals at a property near my home. 

 

This isn't advertising by Alamy, it's merely Google scouring webpages created by Alamy's site allowing creation of unique URIs.  The link that you have provided can be manipulated in any way whatsoever to achieve whatever result you want.  The link goes to https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/national-trust.html, so change that manually in the address bar of your browser to bring up results of say 'ice cream' by changing the last part of the URI, thus: https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/ice-cream.html.  The last part of the URI is the content of the search bar in the Alamy search. Go and have a play and you'll see what I mean.  As long as manipulation of a URI in this way returns genuine content, useful to the end user, Google allows it, thus enabling easy and comprehensive search.

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That link brings up 99,260 images that have National Trust in their keywords. I've clicked on a few but I have not seen one by the National Trust yet.

Does that mean it's not being policed? Not anymore?

Only 282 of those 99,260 are property released btw.

That's 0.28410235744509366% ! 😂

But 28,906 are RF.

That's 29%.

Floodgate. 🤦‍♂️

 

wim

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54 minutes ago, losdemas said:

This isn't advertising by Alamy, it's merely Google scouring webpages created by Alamy's site allowing creation of unique URIs.  The link that you have provided can be manipulated in any way whatsoever to achieve whatever result you want.

Thanks for explaining that.

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18 hours ago, philtheclick said:

I very much agree. The point I was making is that the whole population contrbutes to the NT via gift aid and tax exemptions, therefore we all have a stake in NT policy.

Ah I see what you mean. Very true. So much for getting no government support.

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