DACS Strategies 2020

[John Mitchell]

There have been many discussions about this topic, but I thought it might be worth starting a fresh one.

 

Has anyone discovered any new strategies for finding titles and ISBN numbers for the purpose of filing their own DACS Payback claim?

 

I've been using Google Books mainly, with little luck as usual. I gave up on UK magazines and ISSN's.

Edited February 3, 2020 by John Mitchell

[Phil Crean]

12 hours ago, John Mitchell said:

There have been many discussions about this topic, but I thought it might be worth starting a fresh one.

 

Has anyone discovered any new strategies for finding titles and ISBN numbers for the purpose of filing their own DACS Payback claim?

 

I've been using Google Books mainly, with little luck as usual. I gave up on UK magazines and ISSN's.

I found a few magazine ISSNs by googling "ISSN for *****Magazine"  Including some I contributed to in the 1980's/90's that are now out of print!

Phil

[Reimar]

7 hours ago, Phil Crean said:

I found a few magazine ISSNs by googling "ISSN for *****Magazine"  Including some I contributed to in the 1980's/90's that are now out of print!

Phil

Well, getting the ISSN number is easy peasy if you know which magazine article used your image(s).  It's finding those darn articles that is the tough part.

I spend about two days every year looking for new stuff.  I don't know how I ended up with 60 ISBN/ISSN numbers (total cumulative) so far.

[Phil Crean]

I did it mostly for magazines I contributed directly to but no longer have copies of....

Phil

[John Mitchell]

54 minutes ago, Reimar said:

Well, getting the ISSN number is easy peasy if you know which magazine article used your image(s).  It's finding those darn articles that is the tough part.

I spend about two days every year looking for new stuff.  I don't know how I ended up with 60 ISBN/ISSN numbers (total cumulative) so far.

 

That's impressive. I only have a handful of ISBN's and ISSN's. Guess I haven't been diligent enough.

 

I contributed to a specialist stock agency (now defunct) for almost 20 years, and they always supplied titles with their sales reports. It made life a lot easier. I even managed to get tear-sheets of magazine articles sometimes. That's progress for you...

Edited February 4, 2020 by John Mitchell

[geogphotos]

My sales reported from XXXXX Images has lots of entires for 'periodicals' in addition to 'magazines'. In the past I haven't included periodicals. Perhaps I should have?

 

I have only included territory as UK, not World. Perhaps I should have?

 

Finding ISSN and ISBN - only found ONE to add to last year. It really is a poor system when agencies have an incentive not to help contributors, 

 

 

Edited February 4, 2020 by geogphotos

[John Mitchell]

56 minutes ago, geogphotos said:

My sales reported from XXXXX Images has lots of entires for 'periodicals' in addition to 'magazines'. In the past I haven't included periodicals. Perhaps I should have?

 

I have only included territory as UK, not World. Perhaps I should have?

 

Finding ISSN and ISBN - only found ONE to add to last year. It really is a poor system when agencies have an incentive not to help contributors, 

 

 

 

I only include UK territory as well. I too found one new ISBN of a UK book last year. None so far this year.

Edited February 4, 2020 by John Mitchell

[geogphotos]

10 minutes ago, John Mitchell said:

 

I only include UK territory as well. I too found one new ISBN of a UK book last year. None so far this year.

 

 

Looking through the sales download details brought home to me just how few books sales there are these days compared with the past, and just how many are for web use/digital.

 

I was also struck by the large number of Personal use sales that I had in 2019.

[John Mitchell]

2 hours ago, geogphotos said:

 

 

Looking through the sales download details brought home to me just how few books sales there are these days compared with the past, and just how many are for web use/digital.

 

I was also struck by the large number of Personal use sales that I had in 2019.

 

Well over half of my sales are still book sales but seldom to the UK, so usually no good for DACS. Most include Web/digital use these days.

 

I normally get only one or two PU / presentation sales per month, some of them pretty weird.

[Marianne]

I generally do a google images search for all my Alamy licensed images, also tineye, and I search Amazon uk and google books for my name. I have googled ISSN/ISBN for .... as well.

If I come across one of my images online during the year, I make a note of it and search to see if it's in print too. Too bad newspaper articles (including the Daily Mail's Sunday Magazine) aren't in the scheme...but I'm quite happy as an American that I can collect from it. 

 

I wish the US had a similar scheme, since I've shot for several local magazines, and licensed my work to several national ones as well, and licensed a work for several books, all directly, as well as via Alamy and other agencies. 

 

Good luck with your search everyone! 

[Nigel Kirby]

Insert your name and then put into Google search to find books usage etc

 

"your name" alamy -site:alamy.com -site:alamy.es -site:alamy.de -site:alamyimages.fr -site:alamy.it

 

 

Nigel

[Allan Bell]

2 hours ago, Nigel Kirby said:

Insert your name and then put into Google search to find books usage etc

 

"your name" alamy -site:alamy.com -site:alamy.es -site:alamy.de -site:alamyimages.fr -site:alamy.it

 

 

Nigel

 

Tried it. Zilch!😢

 

Allan

 

[John Mitchell]

10 hours ago, Nigel Kirby said:

Insert your name and then put into Google search to find books usage etc

 

"your name" alamy -site:alamy.com -site:alamy.es -site:alamy.de -site:alamyimages.fr -site:alamy.it

 

 

Nigel

 

This is working well for me. Thanks very much. I've already found a new UK book use and ISBN to add to my list.

 

UPDATE: Have now managed to unearth three new UK ISBN's using this link -- two under my own name and one under a pseudo 😊

 

 

Edited February 5, 2020 by John Mitchell

[John Mitchell]

7 hours ago, Allan Bell said:

 

Tried it. Zilch!😢

 

Allan

 

 

Did you leave a space after your name (in quotation marks)?

[Allan Bell]

22 hours ago, John Mitchell said:

 

Did you leave a space after your name (in quotation marks)?

 

YUP.

 

Allan

 

[John Mitchell]

26 minutes ago, Allan Bell said:

 

YUP.

 

Allan

 

 

Hmmm...

[Marianne]

SOME HELPFUL SITES AND I COULD USE SOME HELP WITH A QUESTION, PLEASE: 

 

I  didn't want to start a new thread on DACS so here's some helpful stuff first - when google and amazon let your down - try these sites - you will need some info but these at least have all the ISSN and/or ISBN numbers: 

 

This site (which I believe I found via a link on the DACS site) has magazine ISSN numbers:

https://portal.issn.org/

 

This is the CLA site which lets you check if copying of work is permitted using the title, author, ISBN or ISSN -- and of of course you can also use it to find an ISBN number if you know the title of the book or the magazine your photo has appeared in:

https://www.cla.co.uk/check-permissions/search-publications?query=

 

(I wrote to DACS this morning and got a reply that they'll get back to me in three working days - I left it too late)

Now, here is my question -- this year I found a lot more of my images that have been published in educational books. Some of them were published in the US but according to the CLA site they are available to students and educators to copy in the UK
And they are also available for sale on amazon.co.uk   So, can I claim for them in DACS? Or am I out of luck?  Any ideas? I may just try to call DACs in the morning and see if I can get through. Wish I'd gone online to do this sooner. 

Up until now, all my listed books were published in the UK, so I think that the day I spent tracking down all those photos was a waste. A lot of them say worldwide on Alamy so I hoped for the best ...thoughts? 

 

 

 

 

 

[John Mitchell]

11 hours ago, Marianne said:

SOME HELPFUL SITES AND I COULD USE SOME HELP WITH A QUESTION, PLEASE: 

 

I  didn't want to start a new thread on DACS so here's some helpful stuff first - when google and amazon let your down - try these sites - you will need some info but these at least have all the ISSN and/or ISBN numbers: 

 

This site (which I believe I found via a link on the DACS site) has magazine ISSN numbers:

https://portal.issn.org/

 

This is the CLA site which lets you check if copying of work is permitted using the title, author, ISBN or ISSN -- and of of course you can also use it to find an ISBN number if you know the title of the book or the magazine your photo has appeared in:

https://www.cla.co.uk/check-permissions/search-publications?query=

 

(I wrote to DACS this morning and got a reply that they'll get back to me in three working days - I left it too late)

Now, here is my question -- this year I found a lot more of my images that have been published in educational books. Some of them were published in the US but according to the CLA site they are available to students and educators to copy in the UK
And they are also available for sale on amazon.co.uk   So, can I claim for them in DACS? Or am I out of luck?  Any ideas? I may just try to call DACs in the morning and see if I can get through. Wish I'd gone online to do this sooner. 

Up until now, all my listed books were published in the UK, so I think that the day I spent tracking down all those photos was a waste. A lot of them say worldwide on Alamy so I hoped for the best ...thoughts? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is a really good question. I came across an image of mine in a Lonely Planet guide that is available on Amazon UK. Don't know whether to claim it or not. Typically, I just claim UK (region) books. Don't have an answer...

[Reimar]

I claim for UK licenses and for other countries that specify a territory of worldwide.  These will also be available in the UK.

[John Mitchell]

2 hours ago, Reimar said:

I claim for UK licenses and for other countries that specify a territory of worldwide.  These will also be available in the UK.

 

 I haven't been doing that, but I'm considering including "worldwide" images this year. It would probably, quadruple my claim at this point, though.

 

The whole thing gets very confusing. I'm going to blame it on globalization.

[John Mitchell]

15 hours ago, Marianne said:

SOME HELPFUL SITES AND I COULD USE SOME HELP WITH A QUESTION, PLEASE: 

 

I  didn't want to start a new thread on DACS so here's some helpful stuff first - when google and amazon let your down - try these sites - you will need some info but these at least have all the ISSN and/or ISBN numbers: 

 

This site (which I believe I found via a link on the DACS site) has magazine ISSN numbers:

https://portal.issn.org/

 

This is the CLA site which lets you check if copying of work is permitted using the title, author, ISBN or ISSN -- and of of course you can also use it to find an ISBN number if you know the title of the book or the magazine your photo has appeared in:

https://www.cla.co.uk/check-permissions/search-publications?query=

 

(I wrote to DACS this morning and got a reply that they'll get back to me in three working days - I left it too late)

Now, here is my question -- this year I found a lot more of my images that have been published in educational books. Some of them were published in the US but according to the CLA site they are available to students and educators to copy in the UK
And they are also available for sale on amazon.co.uk   So, can I claim for them in DACS? Or am I out of luck?  Any ideas? I may just try to call DACs in the morning and see if I can get through. Wish I'd gone online to do this sooner. 

Up until now, all my listed books were published in the UK, so I think that the day I spent tracking down all those photos was a waste. A lot of them say worldwide on Alamy so I hoped for the best ...thoughts? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've checked some educational books published in the USA containing images of mine, and according to the CLA site that you referenced, they are available for photocopying in the UK. It's difficult to now what to do...

[Marianne]

I'm so frustrated that I did not do this sooner! I tried calling DACS several times and got through only to end up in someone's voicemail. Wish I'd wondered about this sooner. 

 

In reviewing my notes, I see that I asked the same question in an email last year and did not get an answer, but notice that some, but not all of my USA books were deleted from the list I gave them so that's why I think the CLA thing may be the key. I think I will add the "CLA-approved" books and delete those that don't show up as available for copying. Hopefully it won't be a mistake that costs me having my claim rejected, but they seem to be very reasonable and helpful in the long run. I thought that books available in the UK were fine and didn't think to question it until I had some of my books removed from my list last year,

 

Up until now, it was just a couple of books, but this year I found more than a dozen new books - about half of which are "CLA-approved," which from one interpretation of the rules at least seems to be the key. If I get an email from them I'll share the info with you. 

 

I don't want to wait until the very last minute and have trouble with the site being too busy - that happened to me last year and I almost lost out on collecting...so I think I'll delete the half dozen that don't get hits on the CLA list and keep the rest in...

 

I spent so many hours searching this year. I get so many hits on google and apparently there are a couple of authors with my last name and one who seems to have written books with someone whose first name is "Marianne" so no matter how I narrow my search, I get so many hits that aren't me - google search seems to have deteriorated to the point where you can't narrow it down. I also have images that are ©wordplanet from a small pseudo here and from one of the micros and even if I put "wordplanet" in quotes it brings up everything with "word" and "planet" in it - ugh! It's like spellcheck, always thinking I don't know what I'm searching for.

 

Sure wish the US had something like this - I have thousands of images and articles in magazines here - it would be a bonanza. Just grateful the UK lets me collect. (Even if they take VAT).

[Cryptoprocta]

On 04/02/2020 at 18:45, geogphotos said:

 

 

Looking through the sales download details brought home to me just how few books sales there are these days compared with the past, and just how many are for web use/digital.

Totally agree. I've left mine til the last minute, and just noticed that too.

[Cryptoprocta]

I assume I'm not seeing the answer to this question for looking at it, but I can assure you I've been trying (and I'm sure the answer is on the DACS site somewhere)

When DACS says, and I didn't notice it last year (maybe it's new?), " Edit your claim and provide the ISBN for books, ISSN for magazines or a URL if your work has been published on a website. "

In the FAQs they say, " You can also add website URLs onto your Publication History list. All we need is the main website address, not the specific page your image features on. For example, www.dacs.org.uk "

Do they mean any website that we can find, any UK website, or ...?

TIA

Edited February 22, 2020 by Cryptoprocta

[Sally]

On 05/02/2020 at 08:59, Nigel Kirby said:

Insert your name and then put into Google search to find books usage etc

 

"your name" alamy -site:alamy.com -site:alamy.es -site:alamy.de -site:alamyimages.fr -site:alamy.it

 

 

Nigel

It’s a useful search. Found a few book uses. I also found a photo of mine being offered for sale on another website site in Brazil. Is this an Alamy distributor (I can’t find the list of them)?
https://www.fotoarena.com.br/