David Davies Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 I have just spent a long time (yawn) selecting keywords for some new images and was wondering if there is an easier way to select them. I use the microstock keyword tool but cannot always find the required words or phrases! Was just wondering if there is a way to create a list to choose from, i.e. with a click! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptoprocta Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 IMO your own brain is going to be your best friend for quite a while to come. I've lost count of the number of times a poor keyworder has whined, "But I'm using X (or Y or Z) keyword tool." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colblimp Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 I believe there's nothing better than the human brain to choose keywords, as much as I hate to say it. I despise keywording, but I know it's a necessary evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davies Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 I just meant physically selecting the words from a list, ..............not intending to diss-engage my brain quite yet! I am off to give my brain a rest now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hai Nguyen Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 In AIM, you can't create a list. But in adobe bridge you can create lists for keywords. Once keywords are added, you can upload to AIM and the keywords will be added automatically. Not sure if you are using lightroom or bridge as it should be able to create lists from there. Hai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptoprocta Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Someone here suggested Templates in Bridge; can't remember who, but I'd like to thank them, as I've just started using them and have found them useful, when I have batches of files. For example recently I was on safari, and have a template for description with " in Kruger NP, South Africa" and keywords: "wild; Kruger National Park; South Africa; Africa; African; African wildlife; African nature; nature; wildlife; safari" Then once I had sorted all the photos into species folders, I could then choose all the files in one folder and put the species names, alternates, and scientific names into the description and keywords and add these and e.g. antelope, mammal, animal, wild animal, African animal to the keywords. After that, it's pretty easy to just add specifics for the individual files I select to upload. Of course, depending on what you shoot, that may not work well, and maybe the keyword hierarchy would work better for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McGill Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, geogphotos said: I have started using a few 'Keyword Clusters' which I have saved in a Pages file ready to cut and paste: I presume that you then just copy and paste the "Keyword clusters" into the metadata in the image in LR or PS? I use Keyword Sets in LR for subjects whenever possible which gives me 9 keywords to start with. I can always have another set for the same subject if I have more than 9 regular keywords that I use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlmphotog Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 I feel a detailed discripition is the best place to start keywording. I use a word processor for the spell checker, thesaurus and synonym. With the description I try to answer the 5Ws who, what, where, when and why. After a detailed discripition is completed I copy it then add commas between keywords/tags as I do this I add and expand relevant keywords, plurals, variations, spellings. Think of the discripition as the skeleton that additional keywords/tags flesh out. I then copy the discripition and keywords/tags into the metadata of the RAW file using Adobe Bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelybear Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 13 hours ago, Cryptoprocta said: Then once I had sorted all the photos into species folders, I could then choose all the files in one folder and put the species names, alternates, and scientific names into the description and keywords and add these and e.g. antelope, mammal, animal, wild animal, African animal to the keywords. After that, it's pretty easy to just add specifics for the individual files I select to upload. Of course, depending on what you shoot, that may not work well, and maybe the keyword hierarchy would work better for you. I have question from this as I've asked about keywording before and have been given suggestions on adding scientific names. How do you know the scientific names or even common names if people, like me, are not professionals? Where could I find them out?Maybe with animal it's a bit easier but with random plants I certainly find it hard...I have totally not idea which plant it could be, other than the general idea for example "it's a tree". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 26 minutes ago, Shelybear said: I have question from this as I've asked about keywording before and have been given suggestions on adding scientific names. How do you know the scientific names or even common names if people, like me, are not professionals? Where could I find them out?Maybe with animal it's a bit easier but with random plants I certainly find it hard...I have totally not idea which plant it could be, other than the general idea for example "it's a tree". Hi Shelybear Usually, I go to Wikipedia for the scientific name. For example, aster flowers Aster is a genus of flowering plants in the family Asteraceae ... Wikipedia is also a good source for keywords Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/11/2018 at 23:35, David Davies said: I just meant physically selecting the words from a list, ..............not intending to diss-engage my brain quite yet! I am off to give my brain a rest now! I usually find I can copy quite a few tags from similar images. Scroll down and find the relevant previous sub, crtl-click to select both, then select the relevant images and make the tags common. I name my subs to make this easier, but it's a bit tedious if you have to go back more than a year or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 On 11/03/2018 at 22:43, David Davies said: Was just wondering if there is a way to create a list to choose from, i.e. with a click! In Lightroom you can use a Preset to inject a series of keywords into the IPTC content that will be copied over to Alamy AIM. It is useful to set up presets for commonly encountered places, situations, seasons etc. It doesn't absolve you from having to keyword, but it certainly removes some of the drudgery. The trick is to learn to enjoy keywording, the research element in particular can be fun, but the whole thing is an interesting exercise. Or just think in terms of $$$ when you need encouragement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin B Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I just use meta data templates that I build and store in Photoshop. I enter titles, copyright info, and keywords into the templates and store them in categorized folders. It is great when I have recurring subjects or themes, which I do quite often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty LaRue Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Martin B said: I just use meta data templates that I build and store in Photoshop. I enter titles, copyright info, and keywords into the templates and store them in categorized folders. It is great when I have recurring subjects or themes, which I do quite often. Templates are a lifesaver. The first time I tag a subject, I do it in Bridge. Scientific name, etc. Then once done, go to “Create template”. Here you can remove specific tags like eating, perching, flying, etc to achieve a generic set. I always have the location in detail. So nice not to have to type that each and every time. Or look up the scientific name again. Title the template. It will, in future, be found alphabetically. When I shoot that subject again, I go to “apply template”. Add a few more tags specific to that image (eating a worm) (feeding baby) (gathering food) (crabapple tree) and I’m done. Life SAVER! Betty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davies Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 Thanks Bryan, Martin and Betty, that's what I was looking for! Thanks also to everyone for your help, keywording should be quicker and easier in the future! David Davies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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