SFL 161 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I received an email from Alamy 15 mins ago saying approx 20 images of mine depicting railway stations (interior) in London will be removed by the request from Network Railway, as they are violating their exclusive intellectual property rights. First, London Underground sign, then, National Trust. Today Network Rail, what next? Link to post Share on other sites
Foreign Export 295 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 anyone else been notified by alamy of this - I've just had around 40 images removed apparently in breach of network rail intellectual property rights Link to post Share on other sites
Rob888 1 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Email from Alamy Image Management this morning: 'Network Rail' the rail transport company, has been in touch with us requesting the removal of the below listed images of your's: Alamy ref DT2PX9DT2R02 These have been taken within the train stations they manage. They say you’re selling these without authorisation and this is violating their exclusive intellectual property rights - http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/777.aspx?cd=1. We’ve deleted these images to avoid further legal issues but if you feel you have the correct permissions to sell these images then please send us proof of this and we’ll reinstate the images. ThanksImage Management The relevant part of the link is: "You can take photographs at stations provided you do not sell them." Images were of St Pancras station; they featured the Betjeman statue. There are thousands of images of stations on Alamy. What of those I wonder? Link to post Share on other sites
Keith Douglas 510 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) Me too. 7 of mine removed. Interestingly, I came across this on the Network Rail / National Rail website: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/55286.aspx I won't be contributing. Edited February 3, 2016 by Keith Douglas Link to post Share on other sites
Martin P Wilson 1,140 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 8 to be removed!If that becomes widespread all those pictures in stations, airports, on trains, buses, planes even ships and ferries could be at risk of removal. As well as a whole raft of images taken inside buildings, shopping centres/malls even parks or on bridges are at risk with the increasing privatisation of public space. I am glad to be moving away from generic stock! Link to post Share on other sites
Foreign Export 295 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 keith thats a different organisation to Network Rail - but i agree wholeheartedly with you - any anyway why do people keep giving away their images for a lousy credit Link to post Share on other sites
spacecadet 3,826 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) Yep, me too. One of them is of an electricity danger sign which seems petty in the extreme. Still it gives some jobsworth something to do and makes Network Rail feel important. Another harmless avenue closed. Not sold in 4 years so no great loss. (So am I in fact 'selling them' if they're not, er selling?) Oh dear. Cue another cull of images taken 1) from Network Rail property (not the street) 2) which can be identified from their keywords. The search was done on the name of the station. Edited February 3, 2016 by spacecadet Link to post Share on other sites
Foreign Export 295 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 theres over 5000 images just of london waterloo- are they all to be deleted? Link to post Share on other sites
SFL 161 Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) Me too. 7 of mine removed. Interestingly, I came across this on the Network Rail / National Rail website: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/55286.aspx I won't be contributing. One of the terms for submission to Network Rail is:- If you submit your contribution to National Rail Enquiries you must allow us to use the material on a free-of-charge basis on this website or via our social channels. They want free images!!!!! Edited February 3, 2016 by SFL Link to post Share on other sites
SFL 161 Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 theres over 5000 images just of london waterloo- are they all to be deleted? If you search 'railway station london', there are about 19k images. Link to post Share on other sites
Keith Douglas 510 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) The Network Rail operated stations are: Birmingham New Street Cannon Street Bristol Temple Meads Charing Cross Edinburgh Waverley Euston Glasgow Central King's Cross Leeds London Bridge Liverpool Lime Street Liverpool Street Manchester Piccadilly Paddington Reading St Pancras International Victoria Waterloo So presumably this particular cull only affects photos taken at those stations. Edited February 3, 2016 by Keith Douglas Link to post Share on other sites
Keith Douglas 510 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 keith thats a different organisation to Network Rail - but i agree wholeheartedly with you - any anyway why do people keep giving away their images for a lousy credit Yes, you are correct. Link to post Share on other sites
Foreign Export 295 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 The Network Rail operated stations are: National stations London stations Birmingham New Street Cannon Street Bristol Temple Meads Charing Cross Edinburgh Waverley Euston Glasgow Central King's Cross Leeds London Bridge Liverpool Lime Street Liverpool Street Manchester Piccadilly Paddington Reading St Pancras International Victoria Waterloo So presumably this particular cull only affects photos taken at those stations. think so - the train companies run the other stations - so maybe they will be next to seek removal Link to post Share on other sites
Foreign Export 295 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 the network rail restrictions on photography on their website are under a main heading of Railway Enthusiasts as I'm not that enthusiastic about network rail i didn't think it applied to me.!! their website also states - "You can take photographs at stations provided you do not sell them" - AND I HAVENT SOLD ANYWAY !! Link to post Share on other sites
Keith Douglas 510 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) From 1st September 2014 Network Rail became a public sector company, answerable to Parliament. I think I might write a letter to my MP about unreasonable restrictions on trade and Network Rail's attempt to create a monopoly in photography IPR at stations that they control. Edited February 3, 2016 by Keith Douglas 5 Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Preston 88 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I had one of those emails too. Perhaps someone should tell the jobsworth at Network Rail, that without taxpayers money they wouldn't exist. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
losdemas 2,850 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Oh Gawd! No, not yet, at least. Can you give us any specifics? E.g. Were they obviously taken on their property? Were they details of property items? Were they of signs? Link to post Share on other sites
Yanice 1 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I got the same e mail too,.The photos are for editorial use only. I thought such things happen only in North Korea, not in UK 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Foreign Export 295 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 From 1st September 2014 Network Rail became a public sector company, answerable to Parliament. I think I might write a letter to my MP about unreasonable restrictions on trade and Network Rail's attempt to create a monopoly in photography IPR at stations that they control. and copy in the Transport Minister and CEO of Network Rail 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Keith Douglas 510 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Does anybody know under what byelaws Network Rail are doing this? (Similar question to that relating to the National Trust). It can't be a contractual restriction (like say when you buy a ticket for a sporting event or concert) because some of my photos were taken from a position where I didn't need to have bought a ticket. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Inchiquin 886 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 From 1st September 2014 Network Rail became a public sector company, answerable to Parliament. I think I might write a letter to my MP about unreasonable restrictions on trade and Network Rail's attempt to create a monopoly in photography IPR at stations that they control. Would be a very good idea, but... the government is planning to sell NR back to the private sector as soon as it can so any victory would be short-lived anyway Alan 1 Link to post Share on other sites
spacecadet 3,826 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) http://discussion.alamy.com/index.php?/topic/5167-network-rail/ Same here. One of them is of.........an electrical danger sign. I'm obviously muscling in on NR's danger sign photograph licensing business. They've been searched on the station name. Some scope there. Edited February 3, 2016 by spacecadet Link to post Share on other sites
Foreign Export 295 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I don't have a UK MP - but perhaps all you guys and girls over there could write/email your MP Link to post Share on other sites
Foreign Export 295 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 there is a longer thread on this now - three of us all posted at the same time! mine were taken on stations of various aspects of commuter life on public property Link to post Share on other sites
spacecadet 3,826 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Unfortunately it's not public property- just property open to the public. Link to post Share on other sites
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