Jill Morgan Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I have an image that I am currently keywording in Manage Images. The shot is of Lake Huron with waves coming in. All water and sky. The original image was taken around noon on a cloudy day. Using a radial filter, I darkened the image so that it now looks like moonlight bouncing off of the water in the middle of the night. Is this digitally altered? My keywording will say "moonlight bouncing off the water" yet in reality there is no moonlight. I think it is as the adjustments are extreme. What do you think? I could post images if you require. Jill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armstrong Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 To me that's definitely digitally altered in that you have altered the 'truth' of what you originally took. If you had cloned out a piece of litter floating in the water to me that's fine as not digitally altered unless it was news. My reasoning in that case is that you could have simply picked the litter up or waited to float by and got the image without it. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanGibson Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I'm in the digitally altered camp with this scenario as well. Partly because the intention is to "deceive" the viewer. For my Alamy images, I stick to the nostrum, that if I want the viewer to see something which I didn't see in the scene, or if I move pixels in the image, then it is digitally altered. I agree that it can be a thin line to tread, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I'm not familiar with the radial filter in PS, but it sounds like digital alteration to me. OTOH, there are old optical filters that radically changed the "truth" of images, and the results obviously couldn't be called digitally altered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marianne Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I'd tick digitally altered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Brooks Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Yes it is digitally altered, BUT, that does not mean it is a bad thing. It is your personal artistic photographic interpretation of "moonlight bouncing off the water". You may want to start off your description with the words "Photo Illustration". We should all do more of this. Here is a inspiring post, by a master landscape photographer, that explores this theme. https://luminous-landscape.com/the-very-old-debate-of-image-manipulation/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Morgan Posted August 4, 2015 Author Share Posted August 4, 2015 Yes it is digitally altered, BUT, that does not mean it is a bad thing. It is your personal artistic photographic interpretation of "moonlight bouncing off the water". You may want to start off your description with the words "Photo Illustration". We should all do more of this. Here is a inspiring post, by a master landscape photographer, that explores this theme. https://luminous-landscape.com/the-very-old-debate-of-image-manipulation/ Very interesting read. Jill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Yes it is digitally altered, BUT, that does not mean it is a bad thing. It is your personal artistic photographic interpretation of "moonlight bouncing off the water". You may want to start off your description with the words "Photo Illustration". We should all do more of this. Here is a inspiring post, by a master landscape photographer, that explores this theme. https://luminous-landscape.com/the-very-old-debate-of-image-manipulation/ Very interesting read. Jill +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustydingo Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Yes it is digitally altered, BUT, that does not mean it is a bad thing. It is your personal artistic photographic interpretation of "moonlight bouncing off the water". You may want to start off your description with the words "Photo Illustration". We should all do more of this. Here is a inspiring post, by a master landscape photographer, that explores this theme. https://luminous-landscape.com/the-very-old-debate-of-image-manipulation/ I find I align more with the quoted views of Steve Coleman. For me, Mr Palacios introduces too many of the irrelevant "arguments" about choice of lens, film etc. The main point (agreeing with Bill above) is overcoming the apparently common reluctance to add the "photo illustration" or "digitally manipulated" tag . . . if someone is good at this and thereby produces great images, I'd rather they reveled in it, shouted it to the world with pride, instead of engagng in never-ending arguments or beating themselves or others up over whether or not it's "valid", "real" etc etc. Or as Mr Palacios puts it: "always be honest about the post processing undertaken". dd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Morgan Posted August 4, 2015 Author Share Posted August 4, 2015 Thought I would post the altered image now that it is live: Jill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Since it isn't moonlight and doesn't really look like it, I don't think I'd say it was. Maybe in comps. Certainly not in the caption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Thought I would post the altered image now that it is live: Jill Very moody indeed. Could make a great mystery novel cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Chapman Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Do Seagulls (or Terns?) fly at night? If I was aiming at a simulated "moonlight" shot, I'd probably have cloned out the bird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Richmond Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Do Seagulls (or Terns?) fly at night? If I was aiming at a simulated "moonlight" shot, I'd probably have cloned out the bird. Or digitally altered it to a bat. Go for broke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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