TokyoM1ke Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Article begins: Microsoft has been hit by a lawsuit from Getty Images, owner of one of the largest libraries of digital images, over a new feature of its Bing search engine that encourages other websites to embed unlicensed pictures they find on the web.http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5fbc84e0-3450-11e4-b81c-00144feabdc0.html?ftcamp=crm/email/2014?ftcamp=crm/email/201494/nbe/ExclusiveComment/product_a2___a3__/nbe/ExclusiveComment/product&siteedition=intl#axzz3CObc94ld Does this apply to Alamy as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Morgan Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Alamy isn't searchable, so you never see their images in an image search on google. I would assume it is the same with Bing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheila Smart Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black! Getty is quite happy to give away their contributors images to bloggers but feel aggrieved if someone else does! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Endicott Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Alamy isn't searchable, so you never see their images in an image search on google. I would assume it is the same with Bing. Are you sure about that? When I do a search on "Ed Endicott/Alamy" I see plenty of my images on Google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Morgan Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Alamy isn't searchable, so you never see their images in an image search on google. I would assume it is the same with Bing. Are you sure about that? When I do a search on "Ed Endicott/Alamy" I see plenty of my images on Google. I never fin any pics unless they been on the forum. Pics placed on the forum are searchable. I have never seen any of my pics in a google search except for those Alamy ads. Jill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Alamy isn't searchable, so you never see their images in an image search on google. I would assume it is the same with Bing. Are you sure about that? When I do a search on "Ed Endicott/Alamy" I see plenty of my images on Google. I never fin any pics unless they been on the forum. Pics placed on the forum are searchable. I have never seen any of my pics in a google search except for those Alamy ads. Jill Same here. But there is a link from the Alamy ads to each contributor's entire collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Be sure to search "Your Name" in quotes especially if you have a common name when doing a google search. I found a boatload on bing. L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Alamy isn't searchable, so you never see their images in an image search on google. I would assume it is the same with Bing. Are you sure about that? When I do a search on "Ed Endicott/Alamy" I see plenty of my images on Google. I never fin any pics unless they been on the forum. Pics placed on the forum are searchable. I have never seen any of my pics in a google search except for those Alamy ads. Jill Alamy have an ongoing project to make images searchable to Google etc. this is the collection not just forum images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan_Andison Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Alamy isn't searchable, so you never see their images in an image search on google. I would assume it is the same with Bing. Are you sure about that? When I do a search on "Ed Endicott/Alamy" I see plenty of my images on Google. I never fin any pics unless they been on the forum. Pics placed on the forum are searchable. I have never seen any of my pics in a google search except for those Alamy ads. Jill Alamy have an ongoing project to make images searchable to Google etc. this is the collection not just forum images. Yes, and they also advertised for an SEO specialist as well to help develop that project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I occasionally find Alamy images by doing a Google search, thinking back, possibly from a text rather than image search, so the database is not entirely Google proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arletta Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Be sure to search "Your Name" in quotes especially if you have a common name when doing a google search. I found a boatload on bing. Not necessary in quotes. I find my images with just my pseudo (name)/ Alamy or Alamy/ my pseudo. There was a thread before. Some of us (if not all) have few images in google visible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Article begins: Microsoft has been hit by a lawsuit from Getty Images, owner of one of the largest libraries of digital images, over a new feature of its Bing search engine that encourages other websites to embed unlicensed pictures they find on the web. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5fbc84e0-3450-11e4-b81c-00144feabdc0.html?ftcamp=crm/email/2014?ftcamp=crm/email/201494/nbe/ExclusiveComment/product_a2___a3__/nbe/ExclusiveComment/product&siteedition=intl#axzz3CObc94ld Does this apply to Alamy as well? FT is subscription only now. I can't see that. There's plenty on it elsewhere, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losdemas Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Article begins: Microsoft has been hit by a lawsuit from Getty Images, owner of one of the largest libraries of digital images, over a new feature of its Bing search engine that encourages other websites to embed unlicensed pictures they find on the web. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5fbc84e0-3450-11e4-b81c-00144feabdc0.html?ftcamp=crm/email/2014?ftcamp=crm/email/201494/nbe/ExclusiveComment/product_a2___a3__/nbe/ExclusiveComment/product&siteedition=intl#axzz3CObc94ld Does this apply to Alamy as well? FT is subscription only now. I can't see that. There's plenty on it elsewhere, though. If you wish, you may register and receive about 8 articles per month for free. Jill: as others have suggested, the Alamy database has increasingly been opened up to Google (and doubtless other search engines that respect robots.txt), for some while now. Google lists around 800 of my images via a text search, about 100 directly accessible via an image search. They all appear in the form that Philippe states - along with what now appears to be the default £15 'Presentation' price tag. I got a sale using this default pricing shortly after they introduced it on such pages. I'm unsure as to whether that should make me sad or happy?! (i.e. would the sale have been made anyway at a higher price or did the promotion at this price make the sale?) Anyhow, that's another discussion, and I'm already dragging this O-T. The point here, I guess, is would/will Alamy take the same stance as G now that Alamy are pro-actively making their database accessible? I am afraid that I believe the answer is no. I don't believe that they are prepared to invest in order to protect the copyright of their contributors, (it could potentially be enormously expensive - and never-ending, as G have discovered). Their stance would be that they license non-exclusive content, therefore why should they spend their money on this. But something with the Alamy watermark on? Another matter, no? Copyright is a hugely contentious issue these days. With many countries around the world having a different take on the subject, and with all kinds of media content being ripped-off on a daily basis, this is something that will increasingly affect us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Morgan Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 The only other shots I find besides the ones in the Alamy ads are the ones at the bottom of the ads showing "other images by this photographer". They are so small (170x140) that I don't see that as a big threat. But if they are working to make the entire database searchable, then we will have the same issues as the G photogs. Jill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Endicott Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Try this link Jill https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&authuser=0&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1920&bih=920&q=%22Jill+Morgan%2FAlamy%22&oq=%22Jill+Morgan%2FAlamy%22&gs_l=img.3...21192.22427.1.22834.6.6.0.0.0.0.55.258.6.6.0....0...1ac.1.53.img..8.21.829.modCy5lyVFc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Morgan Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Try this link Jill https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&authuser=0&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1920&bih=920&q=%22Jill+Morgan%2FAlamy%22&oq=%22Jill+Morgan%2FAlamy%22&gs_l=img.3...21192.22427.1.22834.6.6.0.0.0.0.55.258.6.6.0....0...1ac.1.53.img..8.21.829.modCy5lyVFc There pics are all from the Alamy ads. Most of them aren't mine. I know the ones from the ads show up, but not from the collection itself. Jill Eited to add: You also get all the photos that have been bought and put on the web by the purchaser. The first one that shows up for me is the flyboarder from the Guardian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 When I put my name in and search on Bing tons of my published photos show up. They all have a 'Pin It' button next to them which encourages others to steal photos. I spend countless hours filling out DMCA forms on Pinterest and others taking photos and a few have stated the images were free on Bing. I will present this to my lawyer today to see if he would want to take this as a case. L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Morgan Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 When I put my name in and search on Bing tons of my published photos show up. They all have a 'Pin It' button next to them which encourages others to steal photos. I spend countless hours filling out DMCA forms on Pinterest and others taking photos and a few have stated the images were free on Bing. I will present this to my lawyer today to see if he would want to take this as a case. L I have just started my own photo site, and that is where I would be more worried about the thievery, as opposed to Alamy. I certainly don't have the portfolio of a lot of you guys, but over time it will build, and there is a lot of time and money invested in these shots. I wish Google and Bing would post a big line of text that states that these images are not free, please purchase through the copyrighted owner. But highly unlikely we will ever see that. Take 'em on Linda. Jill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losdemas Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 When I put my name in and search on Bing tons of my published photos show up. They all have a 'Pin It' button next to them which encourages others to steal photos. I spend countless hours filling out DMCA forms on Pinterest and others taking photos and a few have stated the images were free on Bing. I will present this to my lawyer today to see if he would want to take this as a case. L I have just started my own photo site, and that is where I would be more worried about the thievery, as opposed to Alamy. I certainly don't have the portfolio of a lot of you guys, but over time it will build, and there is a lot of time and money invested in these shots. I wish Google and Bing would post a big line of text that states that these images are not free, please purchase through the copyrighted owner. But highly unlikely we will ever see that. Take 'em on Linda. Jill Don't know about Bing, but Google do state that the images may be copyright - but the text is so 'discreet' that you have to hunt it down or know it's there in order to spot it. I've highlighted the text at the bottom right of this screen-shot of a Google Images search: It says: "Images may be subject to copyright. - Send feedback". the feedback link allows you to comment on Google's products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Brooks Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I think this is a strategic lawsuite. I think is as much about selling Getty to Microsoft, Google, or Yahoo, as it is about protecting copyright. I think the future of the web will be no copyright. The Googles of the world will make money by attaching advertising to free image content. Photographers will make money by giving away their stock images as publicity to generate assignments, and sell photographic travel seminars. When stock agencies sell images for pennies then you do not have a sales organization selling copyright, you have a delivery service. Like it or not, I think Microsoft, Google, and Yahoo, will continue to push us into that future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I think this is a strategic lawsuite. I think is as much about selling Getty to Microsoft, Google, or Yahoo, as it is about protecting copyright. I think the future of the web will be no copyright. The Googles of the world will make money by attaching advertising to free image content. Photographers will make money by giving away their stock images as publicity to generate assignments, and sell photographic travel seminars. When stock agencies sell images for pennies then you do not have a sales organization selling copyright, you have a delivery service. Like it or not, I think Microsoft, Google, and Yahoo, will continue to push us into that future. You may be correct. The message of the Web is that all information, including images, shall be free for the taking. Not a bad idea in principle, but it doesn't bode particularly well for us. Few young people care about or know much about copyright laws. That said, it's a balmy late summer day here in Vancouver, perfect for photography. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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