RedSnapper Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Seems like another agency has been caught with their fingers in the DACS till... http://www.epuk.org/news/rex-a-gross-betrayal-of-trust km Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losdemas Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nacke Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Received that email directly this morning, luckily REX is not suppose to have any of my images any more, pulled out a decade ago. I was surprised to see that they are now owned by SHUTTERSTOCK? Many Many years ago they were a good organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regen Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Very interesting! Time to ask DACS how much they paid to the various agencies who have insisted on making a claim on my behalf! Regen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inchiquin Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I think terminating the employee was a little drastic though. Surely just terminating his employment would have been sufficient? Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losdemas Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I think terminating the employee was a little drastic though. Surely just terminating his employment would have been sufficient? Alan :D We live in tough times! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travelshots Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I have always thought that agencies should not be involved in the DACS scheme. It is for artists and photographers to make their own personal claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan_Andison Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I have always thought that agencies should not be involved in the DACS scheme. It is for artists and photographers to make their own personal claims. Yeah, it leaves the system open to abuse. I wonder if DACS will provide a tick box option to say they should not handle any application from a third party. It could act as a safe guard?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regen Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 The problem does not initially lay with DACS. It lies first of all with the photographer who signs a contract with an agency where the small print is legally binding allowing the agency to collect on behalf of the photographer. And then with the agency which insists on making this collection by forcing the photographer to sign the permission doc for DACS. - In the case of REX it appears that they went ahead anyway without valid signatures. Alamy are one of the better agencies in that they do not insist on making the collection and will even provide the photographer with most of the details required to make a claim. However they do take their 50% PLUS EXPENSES and in my case have not been prepared to tell me how much they have taken in spite of a written request. Whilst it is theoretically possible to work it out if the actual bands and combinations there of were published by DACS the only reason for using an agency to claim is not to have to get involved. What a pity there is a lack of transparency. Regen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Why do Alamy need to deduct expenses when they have already taken 50%? Surely the 50% should cover these! Michael. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSnapper Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 "In the case of REX it appears that they went ahead anyway without valid signatures." No They forged signatures km Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reimar Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Why do Alamy need to deduct expenses when they have already taken 50%? Surely the 50% should cover these! Michael. Agreed. And since they won't tell us what the "expense" amount is, going through Alamy doesn't make sense to me (even with all my RF images). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Why do Alamy need to deduct expenses when they have already taken 50%? Surely the 50% should cover these! Michael. Because when you give them authority to claim you agree to the expenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regen Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 "Why do Alamy need to deduct expenses when they have already taken 50%? Surely the 50% should cover these! Michael." Of course 50% should be enough but you do need to take into account that most agencies are basically greedy, lack transparency and care little about the individual photographer. From the 2014 DACS payback authorisation form. I further confirm that I have been made aware of the admin charges made by DACS and by the authorised representative (if applicable) To date Alamy have not replied to my written request for 2014 so i had to withdraw authorisation in 2015. Regen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 you do need to take into account that most agencies are basically greedy, lack transparency and care little about the individual photographer. Bad form to run down your agent on a public forum. If you have a complaint take it up with MS. If you think Alamy are "basically greedy, lack transparency and care little about the individual photographer" why not go elsewhere ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I have always thought that agencies should not be involved in the DACS scheme. It is for artists and photographers to make their own personal claims. Indeed, DACS bang on about helping creatives in the UK on their website but they, IMO, shouldn't be dealing with claims from countries that don't have reciprocal deals. After all the money is mostly tax money in origin. I certainly won't be sad to see other organisations taking a bite out of DACS if they are more focussed on what DACS are supposed to be doing. They just seem to have lost their way in past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Baker Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 .. agencies should not be involved in the DACS scheme. It is for artists and photographers to make their own personal claims. Agencies, traditionally, like to involve themselves with all aspects of representation and the trafficking of monies to and from a photographer. Contracts are generally very tight and there's no room for manoeuvre so you're either in, or out. I've never been with Rex so I don't know how tight their agreements are - and by default, how you can ask not them not to collect for you although it seems that they were still asking for people to sign the mandate - hence the misdemeanor. It's a rum old business, alright! Rgds, Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 . After all the money is mostly tax money in origin. What do you mean by that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 . After all the money is mostly tax money in origin. What do you mean by that? To quote DACS "In fact, the money comes from a variety of collective licensing schemes, the main one being the Copyright Licensing Agency's (CLA) scheme. Every year this organisation sells photocopying licences to schools, universities, local councils, central government and business organisations." That's only a part of it but take out the last one mentioned and guess who funds the rest........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 http://www.dacs.org.uk/latest-news/dacs-investigates-payback-statements-on-author?category=Press%20Releases|Latest%20News&title=N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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