Jill Morgan Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Can someone tell me how this is an RM sale? Country: Worldwide Usage: iQ sale: Single company - multiple use editorial onlyIndustry sector: EducationStart: 24 March 2017 End: Unlimited This is the second one I have had. Both are iQ sales. I know there is special licensing with iQ, and you are usually selling to the company that owns the brand in the image, but sill, is this not RF? With multiple use and unlimited time, how could this be classified as RM? Jill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kumar Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 iQ sale with a rather extended license (almost in perpetuity ) ,,, RM/editorial only as it may have included unreleased property/models etc. Just my view.Kumar, India Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 I see licenses like this one fairly often. They take the RM/RF hybrid idea a step farther. I' d say that they are RF Editorial rather than RM -- i.e. they are RM in name only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Richmond Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 I've got an UK gardening magazine that uses my images regularly so I tend to browse through their weekly issue on shopping trips. There's no fun finding one of my images only to realise they've used it before and that the use is covered by one of these IQ hybrid RM/RF licences. It just seems like a relatively low cost way of building an image bank by the company involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty LaRue Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 And then there's the thread about RM/RF. What's the difference? I feel your outrage, Jill. As long as IQ is out there, we might as well list RF (editorial). I don't see much "hybrid" about it. If it smells like a skunk..... Betty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Morgan Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 And then there's the thread about RM/RF. What's the difference? I feel your outrage, Jill. As long as IQ is out there, we might as well list RF (editorial). I don't see much "hybrid" about it. If it smells like a skunk..... Betty I'm not really outraged, just don't see the point of RM if its going to be sold RF whether I mark it that way or not. Jill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlessandraRC Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Open forum. Isn't it better to discuss those issues directly with Alamy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arletta Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Many people already did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 And then there's the thread about RM/RF. What's the difference? I feel your outrage, Jill. As long as IQ is out there, we might as well list RF (editorial). I don't see much "hybrid" about it. If it smells like a skunk..... Betty I'm not really outraged, just don't see the point of RM if its going to be sold RF whether I mark it that way or not. Jill I suppose that there could be limitations imposed in the license's fine print on "multiple use" -- i.e. the allowable usage may not be as extensive as RF. Is there such a thing as one-time multiple use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Morgan Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 And then there's the thread about RM/RF. What's the difference? I feel your outrage, Jill. As long as IQ is out there, we might as well list RF (editorial). I don't see much "hybrid" about it. If it smells like a skunk..... Betty I'm not really outraged, just don't see the point of RM if its going to be sold RF whether I mark it that way or not. Jill I suppose that there could be limitations imposed in the license's fine print on "multiple use" -- i.e. the allowable usage may not be as extensive as RF. Is there such a thing as one-time multiple use? I see the only restriction is editorial and education, so I suppose that is the only limitation. I still mull over whether to make a lot of my images RF, with a few exceptions. Jill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Brooks Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Jill, the RM license you refer to, is a response to market demand. I have had lots of them. I welcomed them, before I converted everything to RF or RF editorial only. I think that RM license it is an argument for RF or RF editorial only, over RM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 And then there's the thread about RM/RF. What's the difference? I feel your outrage, Jill. As long as IQ is out there, we might as well list RF (editorial). I don't see much "hybrid" about it. If it smells like a skunk..... Betty I'm not really outraged, just don't see the point of RM if its going to be sold RF whether I mark it that way or not. Jill I suppose that there could be limitations imposed in the license's fine print on "multiple use" -- i.e. the allowable usage may not be as extensive as RF. Is there such a thing as one-time multiple use? I see the only restriction is editorial and education, so I suppose that is the only limitation. I still mull over whether to make a lot of my images RF, with a few exceptions. Jill Fortunately, these "unlimited" iQ sales are still the exception. I have two of them this month, but I also have a number of traditional book sales -- three over $100 -- with properly defined usage terms and duration. Conclusion: there is still a healthy market for traditional RM despite whatever market pressures there might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Brooks Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Jill, the RM license you refer to, is a response to market demand. I have had lots of them. I welcomed them, before I converted everything to RF or RF editorial only. I think that RM license it is an argument for RF or RF editorial only, over RM. The market might demand completely free images, but does that mean they should be handed over for nothing? There has to be a line drawn somewhere. Unfortunately Microstock agencies are a big part of this problem, and I worry that Alamy are going further and further down that road. Geoff. There is no line to draw. I am not talking about lower prices for RF. Take a closer look at any difference between RF and RM. It is not about price or terms. Today RF and RM are essentially the same thing to the photographer. However the client wants RF This month I had a mix of RF and RM, with RF predominating. The RM were for sales in progress, when I converted everything to RF in February. The prices for RF and RM this month were essentially the same. Most of the RF sales had terms attached to them that were similar to the terms attached to the RM sales. Here are a set of RM and RF sales on the same date, probably to the same client, with the same terms, at the same price. Rights Managed Country: Worldwide Usage: iQ sale: Single company - multiple use editorial only Industry sector: Media, design & publishing Start: 23 March 2017 Duration: Unlimited $ 129.00 Royalty-free Usage: iQ sale: Single company - multiple use editorial only $ 129.00 Here is another set of RM and editorial RF on the same date, probably different clients. Rights Managed Country: United States Usage: Editorial Media: Travel guides -print and/or e-book Print run: up to 100,000 Placement: Inside Image Size: 1/4 page Start: 01 January 2017 End: 01 January 2020 Duration: 2 years. $ 60.00 Editorial royalty-free Country: Worldwide Usage: Magazines, newsletters and books 52 MB 5200 x 3467 pixels 3 MB compressed Start: 28 March 2017 End: 28 March 2022 $ 50 Here is a one off RF sale with no terms attached. Editorial royalty-free 26 MB 3400 x 2719 pixels 2 MB compressed $ 164.32 This image was made Editorial royalty free, from RM, in February I have had a mix of RF and RM for years, and prices and terms have always been in the same ball park for both RM or RF. The market demands RF. Why would you not give the client the RF they are asking for, if it means a higher volume of sales at the same prices, terms, and conditions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty LaRue Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Jill, the RM license you refer to, is a response to market demand. I have had lots of them. I welcomed them, before I converted everything to RF or RF editorial only. I think that RM license it is an argument for RF or RF editorial only, over RM. The market might demand completely free images, but does that mean they should be handed over for nothing? There has to be a line drawn somewhere. Unfortunately Microstock agencies are a big part of this problem, and I worry that Alamy are going further and further down that road. Geoff. There is no line to draw. I am not talking about lower prices for RF. Take a closer look at any difference between RF and RM. It is not about price or terms. Today RF and RM are essentially the same thing to the photographer. However the client wants RF This month I had a mix of RF and RM, with RF predominating. The RM were for sales in progress, when I converted everything to RF in February. The prices for RF and RM this month were essentially the same. Most of the RF sales had terms attached to them that were similar to the terms attached to the RM sales. Here are a set of RM and RF sales on the same date, probably to the same client, with the same terms, at the same price. Rights Managed Country: Worldwide Usage: iQ sale: Single company - multiple use editorial only Industry sector: Media, design & publishing Start: 23 March 2017 Duration: Unlimited $ 129.00 Royalty-free Usage: iQ sale: Single company - multiple use editorial only $ 129.00 Here is another set of RM and editorial RF on the same date, probably different clients. Rights Managed Country: United States Usage: Editorial Media: Travel guides -print and/or e-book Print run: up to 100,000 Placement: Inside Image Size: 1/4 page Start: 01 January 2017 End: 01 January 2020 Duration: 2 years. $ 60.00 Editorial royalty-free Country: Worldwide Usage: Magazines, newsletters and books 52 MB 5200 x 3467 pixels 3 MB compressed Start: 28 March 2017 End: 28 March 2022 $ 50 Here is a one off RF sale with no terms attached. Editorial royalty-free 26 MB 3400 x 2719 pixels 2 MB compressed $ 164.32 This image was made Editorial royalty free, from RM, in February I have had a mix of RF and RM for years, and prices and terms have always been in the same ball park for both RM or RF. The market demands RF. Why would you not give the client the RF they are asking for, if it means a higher volume of sales at the same prices, terms, and conditions? +1. Can't argue with that. I'm a cat that's used up a few of my 9 lives, but one thing I believe in is this. Nothing is set in stone. What was the norm yesterday isn't necessarily the norm today. Everything pretty much is fluid, and I must be willing to put a finger on the pulse of today, not yesterday. Sometimes things change for the worse, and I can't roll back the clock to those glory days. I must live in the here and now, and adjust to it the best I can. I need to quit pining for those frequent $180-200+ sales. They can be had, just not as often. Betty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 "Sometimes things change for the worse, and I can't roll back the clock to those glory days. I must live in the here and now, and adjust to it the best I can. I need to quit pining for those frequent $180-200+ sales. They can be had, just not as often." Let's not forget that we (human beings) create the future by our actions in the here and now. Pollute the air, and future generations will have to breathe our shortsightedness. BTW, this month I had three of those elusive $180+ RM book sales that you mention. Not the norm these days, I admit, but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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