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10 hours ago, Phil said:

I support ASMP and their linked statement above.  This has made me think for the first time since I purchased PS2 about other options to using or licensing Adobe products.

 

Chuck Nacke ( a current CC paying client )

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I don't disagree ... but Adobe are the only company that actually pay artists and photographers for their work to be used in AI learning. The rest just steal it.

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I cancelled my Adobe subscription tonight and after many many years paying a monthly fee they have charged me an early cancellation fee (50% of the remaining annual plan) cheeky buggers.

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I don't know if this is related and I don't use the CC subscription version myself anyway but there is a lot of indignation on some other forums about changes to the Adobe Terms of Service that appears to give them rights to access to all works created with their software, a number of diehard Adobe users are also cancelling their subscriptions. Those seeking to defend Adobe suggest that their software will need this to perform correctly and that this is just covering it in legal terms, others suggest more sinister motives up to and including AI of course.

 

https://lifehacker.com/tech/photoshops-terms-of-service-demands-the-right-to-your-content

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I am surprised by a number of the responses here. I thought this storm is a teacup had gone away (terms of service). The terms have been there a few years and merely clarified.

 

These updates have nothing to do with Ai.. They have everything to do with storing and delivering images, software improvement  + a bit on ensuring ner-do-wells are not storing illegal content on thier servers.  There have been a number of clarifications..

 

Any time you use a web service, say to pass information or pics back to the client , you break an nda. (I.e email/dropbox etc)

 

Storage of the image/data requires a “right”/“license” for the image/data..

 

Be sensible-this is outrage from those that do not understand how services work..

 

https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2024/06/06/clarification-adobe-terms-of-use

 

Edit: Clarified to I mean  the terms of service - I  am 100% with the original post, letter and anti  the "skip  the photoshoot" advert 

 

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To be clear, Adobe requires a limited license to access content solely for the purpose of operating or improving the services and software and to enforce our terms and comply with law, such as to protect against abusive content.

 

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6/6/24 - 3 days ago - Adobe Communications Team - "We will be clarifying the Terms of Use acceptance customers see when opening applications."

 

Maybe that is part of the problem then.

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25 minutes ago, Julie Edwards said:

I am surprised by a number of the responses here. I thought this storm is a teacup had gone away. The terms have been there a few years and merely clarified.

 

These updates have nothing to do with Ai.. They have everything to do with storing and delivering images, software improvement  + a bit on ensuring ner-do-wells are not storing illegal content on thier servers.  There have been a number of clarifications..

 

Any time you use a web service, say to pass information or pics back to the client , you break an nda. (I.e email/dropbox etc)

 

Storage of the image/data requires a “right”/“license” for the image/data..

 

Be sensible-this is outrage from those that do not understand how services work..

 

https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2024/06/06/clarification-adobe-terms-of-use

 

 

This is similar to the recurring posts on Facebook (Facebook owns your pics, etc) with the users stating that they dont give the rights to Facebook to use their images, so realisticaly, Facebook couldn't show that users images on the platform.
It looks like uninformed scaremongering.
I only cancelled my own Adobe sub as a cost saving effort in retirement and have been trying other software, but, I'll admit, I have made a mistake as nothing seems to come close to the Lightrooom features which I use, so, I will carry on with LR Classic on my computers.

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1 hour ago, mickfly said:

This is similar to the recurring posts on Facebook (Facebook owns your pics, etc) with the users stating that they dont give the rights to Facebook to use their images, so realisticaly, Facebook couldn't show that users images on the platform.
It looks like uninformed scaremongering.
I only cancelled my own Adobe sub as a cost saving effort in retirement and have been trying other software, but, I'll admit, I have made a mistake as nothing seems to come close to the Lightrooom features which I use, so, I will carry on with LR Classic on my computers.

 

Did you try DXO? That's the one I have my eye on if I ever want to cancel my subscription.

 

Paulette

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22 hours ago, NYCat said:

 

Did you try DXO? That's the one I have my eye on if I ever want to cancel my subscription.

 

Paulette

 No Paulette.
I make very simple edits in LR which I find very intuitive, but I also like the database catalogues which can be searched across many fields, ie camer model, lens, and after reading the thread about denoise I have been searching my library for high ISO images which I might rework using that method.
I bought the Infinity software but have reverted back to LR Classic very quickly.
My real beef with Adobe is that I don't want anything except LR classic and can only get LR on its own if I get the cloud version which saves up to a terrabyte of images to the cloud for the same price per month as the photo package... but I seem to suffer with perpetual internet slowness on my travels, so don't want the cloud.

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1 hour ago, mickfly said:

 No Paulette.
I make very simple edits in LR which I find very intuitive, but I also like the database catalogues which can be searched across many fields, ie camer model, lens, and after reading the thread about denoise I have been searching my library for high ISO images which I might rework using that method.
I bought the Infinity software but have reverted back to LR Classic very quickly.
My real beef with Adobe is that I don't want anything except LR classic and can only get LR on its own if I get the cloud version which saves up to a terrabyte of images to the cloud for the same price per month as the photo package... but I seem to suffer with perpetual internet slowness on my travels, so don't want the cloud.

 

I definitely rely on the catalog to keep track of everything. So far they are letting people keep that capacity if they cancel the subscription but you have to do your developing elsewhere. At this point I am able to afford the subscription to Lightroom Classic. People seem to like DXO a lot. I don't know anything about their cost 

 

Paulette

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On 09/06/2024 at 04:29, Julie Edwards said:

 

 

These updates have nothing to do with Ai.. They have everything to do with storing and delivering images, software improvement  + a bit on ensuring ner-do-wells are not storing illegal content on thier servers.  There have been a number of clarifications..

 

 

"Adobe Stock: Content submitted by contributors to Adobe Stock may be used for machine learning." Though this is not new. 

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On 09/06/2024 at 04:39, Harry Harrison said:

6/6/24 - 3 days ago - Adobe Communications Team - "We will be clarifying the Terms of Use acceptance customers see when opening applications."

 

Maybe that is part of the problem then.

 

I would have thought they would have some awareness that they already have a trust problem amongst creatives and could have handled this TOS change in a less ham-fisted way. 

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5 hours ago, Mark Scheuern said:

 

"Adobe Stock: Content submitted by contributors to Adobe Stock may be used for machine learning." Though this is not new. 

Adobe’s continued commitments

Our commitments to our customers have not changed.

  • Adobe does not train Firefly Gen AI models on customer content. Firefly generative AI models are trained on a dataset of licensed content, such as Adobe Stock, and public domain content where copyright has expired. Read more here: https://helpx.adobe.com/firefly/faq.html#training-data

 

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From https://helpx.adobe.com/manage-account/using/machine-learning-faq.html

 

When does content analysis opt-out not apply?

Additionally, if you use features that rely on content analysis techniques (for example, Content-Aware Fill in Photoshop), your content may still be analyzed when you use those features to help improve that feature.

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5 hours ago, Julie Edwards said:

 

Adobe’s continued commitments

Our commitments to our customers have not changed.

  • Adobe does not train Firefly Gen AI models on customer content. Firefly generative AI models are trained on a dataset of licensed content, such as Adobe Stock, and public domain content where copyright has expired. Read more here: https://helpx.adobe.com/firefly/faq.html#training-data

 


At what point and how did Adobe stock contributors agree to this? Were they allowed to opt out?

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It does rather look as if Adobe messed up over this, apologetic Adobe blog post from 6th June announcing that they will be updating their Terms of Use:

 

https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2024/06/10/updating-adobes-terms-of-use

 

Comment in The Verge from yesterday 10th June:

 

https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/10/24175416/adobe-overhauls-terms-of-service-update-firefly

 

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