York Photographer Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Just had an email about claiming the equivalent to DACS in Holland, from DACS. "All" you need is proof of inclusion in a dutch language book. Anyone got any ideas on how you can find out if a book you have pictures in from ISBN, has a dutch version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I had the same but haven't a clue. Got any Dutch friends? Pearl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davelich Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I had the same but haven't a clue. Got any Dutch friends? Pearl This is a rare occasion when living in the Netherlands is actually an advantage (Manchester born and bred). I had an image used (from another library) on a Dutch book cover, so I'm fortunate to have the relevant details. Happy to help if someone wants me to dig around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
York Photographer Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 Strikes me that this is something DACS could help us with, they must have some sort of Database of ISBN's. Does anyone know if a translated book has the same ISBN number, or has a different one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davelich Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Strikes me that this is something DACS could help us with, they must have some sort of Database of ISBN's. Does anyone know if a translated book has the same ISBN number, or has a different one? I think they are different. At least the book my image was used on has a different ISBN to the English version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Lowe Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Does anyone know if a translated book has the same ISBN number, or has a different one? Funnily enough I was reading just this morning about ISBN codes, in a book called 'The Art of Science'. It analyises its own ISBN code; 978-0-330-49075-7 and states that the fourth digit '0' identifies the book as being published in an English speaking country. The code for the Netherlands is 90, so if you know the ISBN code for the English version perhaps you could substitute the 0 for 90 and do a search. Somehow though I doubt if it's that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprocket Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Does anyone know if a translated book has the same ISBN number, or has a different one? The ISBNs of editions of the same book from different publishers will be completely unrelated, even if they are in the same language. 978 (or 979) is the EAN prefix to tell barcode systems that the number is an ISBN. The next nine digits comprise country or region code, publisher code and publication number. The length of each of these elements is not fixed. The 13th digit is a check digit calculated from the preceding digits. I hope this helps (Time to hang up the anorak now) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskerke Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 There are a couple of Dutch native speakers here on the forum: Semmick; Phillippe and myself are quite active, but there are more. (Though some went into lurking mode with the arrival of the new forum.) Not a lot of textbooks are being translated into Dutch. Often the original English ones are being used: those don't count. If I'm looking to buy a book, I use a couple of search engines specific to books. All allow searching on ISBN; Title (both not very useful in this case) and author(s), which is what I would try in this case. Bookfinder is my #1 go to site. Alternatives: FetchBook and Bookfinder 4U. I'm sure there are more. wim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
York Photographer Posted October 19, 2013 Author Share Posted October 19, 2013 Sussed it!Go to net revenue, leave it on date paid change the from date, to before your ever first sale download it as an excel file, and open it sort alphabetically the region field, and look for Netherlands, I've got 8 text book usages, now to see if they turn up in any google searches, failing that I'll email DACS and see if they'll accept the excel file as proof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Sussed it! Go to net revenue, leave it on date paid change the from date, to before your ever first sale download it as an excel file, and open it sort alphabetically the region field, and look for Netherlands, I've got 8 text book usages, now to see if they turn up in any google searches, failing that I'll email DACS and see if they'll accept the excel file as proof I had thought of doing that but wasn't really sure if it solves the problem. The email from DACS says "your work must have been published in a UK book which has been translated into Dutch and published in the Netherlands" whereas I think what you are suggesting only shows books published directly in the Netherlands. Pearl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Thanks Yorky. Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
York Photographer Posted October 19, 2013 Author Share Posted October 19, 2013 Sussed it! Go to net revenue, leave it on date paid change the from date, to before your ever first sale download it as an excel file, and open it sort alphabetically the region field, and look for Netherlands, I've got 8 text book usages, now to see if they turn up in any google searches, failing that I'll email DACS and see if they'll accept the excel file as proof I had thought of doing that but wasn't really sure if it solves the problem. The email from DACS says "your work must have been published in a UK book which has been translated into Dutch and published in the Netherlands" whereas I think what you are suggesting only shows books published directly in the Netherlands. Pearl You might be right Pearl, if that's the case it's almost impossible to find out without knowing if a publisher has had it translated. Might give DACS a call, see what they say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Robinson Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Does anyone know if a translated book has the same ISBN number, or has a different one? Funnily enough I was reading just this morning about ISBN codes, in a book called 'The Art of Science'. It analyises its own ISBN code; 978-0-330-49075-7 and states that the fourth digit '0' identifies the book as being published in an English speaking country. The code for the Netherlands is 90, so if you know the ISBN code for the English version perhaps you could substitute the 0 for 90 and do a search. Somehow though I doubt if it's that simple. You're right to doubt - it's not that simple. Countries have their prefix, as you say, then publishers do (0330 above means Pan/MacMillan; 0140, penguin etc) Foreign editions have completely different ISBNs. Many ranges of books, such as travel guides, do have foreign editions. Some are published by the same publisher and others use foreign companies (Dorling Kindersley and others). From my experience of the Netherlands and its bookshops, the level of English-speaking there is so high that it is hardly worthwhile translating books into Dutch. They can be understood in English so there's not much of a market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidC Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 I contacted Ross Savill at Payback this morning and put to him the problem of identifying claimable publications - his reply was: "Unfortunately we aren’t aware of any ways that information relating to works like this can be tracked down yet. Dutch PLR royalties which we are distributing this year also relate only to works in books which have been originally published in the UK before subsequently being translated and published in the Netherlands." I replied: "Thanks for that Ross,As you can guess this is totally impossible - I have literally hundreds of publications in UK books - and there is no way that I can know whether the book has been translated for the Netherlands - for sure some have, but as the sales never identify the publication I cannot ask the publishers whether they had a Dutch version.Classic Catch 22........" For what it is worth - others may be more skillful at monitoring their publications.......DACs are always helpful but it seems they have a fundamental problem with this - unless you know the book and can find from the publisher whether they had a Dutch version - you is stuffed ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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