Johnnie5 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 This is me stumbling around trying to learn something so I am not trying to be an expert. Its trial and error discovering how the search engine works so I and others can use it to our advantage. Here are a few more examples of how critical it is to use as many combinations of keywords as possible. I recently uploaded some photos of a Champagne bottle and some glasses filled and unfilled with the bubbly stuff. I did my keywording and then the following day after they went live I started searching for my photos. Now this is where getting old and having a really bad memory pays off. I can’t remember the keywords that I used on my images the day before so I just start typing something. Honestly most of the time I can’t remember what the images were. I have a fairly high Alamy rank (right now) so I expect to see my images on the first page for most searches. I searched for Champagne bottle and my first photo didn’t show up until page 3 of 13,061 images returned, so I figured I did something wrong. I went to manage images and found that I had not used the exact phrase “Champagne Bottle” in my keywords. So I changed that and added some variations also. The next search I did was Champagne glass and variations on that theme. Here are the results. Four Champagne glasses, 552 images 4 Champagne glasses, 198 images One Champagne glass, 366 images 1 Champagne glass, 2911 images Now I thought this was interesting: Champagne glass one, 2911 images Champagne glass 1, 366 images 2 bottles of champagne, 53 images Two bottles of Champagne, 246 Champagne bottles two, 246 Champagne bottles 2, 53 So it seem like putting to many variations in this situation would not help much. The search engine seems to be able to pick up the different order of the words in each phrase and return approximately the same result. But you may want to try variations as it also changes the order of the images. Here is a good one to try, “Golden Gate Bridge” and “Bridge Golden Gate” and Gate Bridge Golden or any other combination. I always get the same amount of images of the Bridge, but in a completely different order. Very interesting. So I have created a test image DHY4WK with the words one through ten and the NATO phonetic alphabet. I want to test if I can put random combinations together and still get my photo. It turns out that if I use any combination of these 36 keywords I will find my image. I will leave the image up so other people can try the combinations. When I searched I found the image on page 2 in some searches, on page one in others and if I used a really random string it would be the only image. I would try at least 3 keywords because for some searches you will get other images. For example if I use the string “yankee golf eight lima” my image is the only one that shows up. I also wanted to test the location filter so in the location field I put the following: Los Angeles California USA Europe United Kingdom UK EU . When I engage the location filter the only problem I had was with the Europe filter. My image doesn’t show up when that is engaged, but does with USA or UK applied. I am thinking what was wrong with my original search for “Champagne Bottle” was that I had not included the word “bottle” as any of my keywords so my image was relegated to a lower position in the search. Here are the test image details. Image: DHY4WK Essential keywords: one two three four five six seven eight nine ten Main Keywords: alfa bravo charlie delta echo foxtrot golf hotel india juliett kilo lima mike november oscar papa quebec romeo sierra tango uniform victor whiskey xray yankee zulu Location: Los Angeles California USA Europe United Kingdom UK EU It seems as though some people may already know this stuff, but it is new to me and hopefully a few others out there. I struggle to come up with creative phrases to include in my keywords and I am beginning to think it isn’t necessary. It probably stems from the way the male brain works. So I get keywords like, Dog, brown, big, and not much else. David Davies posted a link in the forum topic “need help with keywords” to a keyword generating tool that I found really helpful. Check it out. I have been considering a keyword program but don’t want something that generates a lot of irrelevant keywords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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