Constructive comments appreciated

[Steve F]

4 minutes ago, geogphotos said:

 

Verticals. Use of Geometry tool to straighten buildings etc.

 

Not soo worried about one or two that I have got wrong but an overall impression would be appreciated.

 

Ian, all looks fine to me. Maybe this one, but I'm guessing you couldn't get any further back and you were limited by your focal length so you didn't want to use the Geometry tool and lose part of the building to the crop.

[geogphotos]

Yes, exactly Steve. I was having more doubts about overuse rather than underuse of Geometry. That one I purposely left as it is obviously a wide angle shot and I think the eye automatically compensates.  I feel that the wall to the right gives a big clue about what is happening in this image. 

 

The only other option - given what you say about the lack of space to play with - is using Distort or similar. Maybe I tried it, can't remember.

Edited June 2, 2023 by geogphotos

[spacecadet]

I'm still using LR5 so it's the vertical corrrection tool. I under-correct somewhat- I don't know how the units compare but anything over -15 starts to look odd. I do try to include some spare sky if I'm going to need the correction.

[geogphotos]

47 minutes ago, spacecadet said:

I'm still using LR5 so it's the vertical corrrection tool. I under-correct somewhat- I don't know how the units compare but anything over -15 starts to look odd. I do try to include some spare sky if I'm going to need the correction.

 

 

Fair comment. If I had left the space I could have done more playing around. But rather than chuck it I thought I'd leave it for a potential buyer to decide. 

 

With this one it looks like I just left it as it was and didn't do anything - the rubbery verticals shout out at me now! 

 

But it is a numbers game and making mistakes is part of that. 

 

 

Edited June 2, 2023 by geogphotos

[Steve F]

I try not to overcorrect too...

[StokeCreative]

6 hours ago, geogphotos said:

 

 

Fair comment. If I had left the space I could have done more playing around. But rather than chuck it I thought I'd leave it for a potential buyer to decide. 

 

With this one it looks like I just left it as it was and didn't do anything - the rubbery verticals shout out at me now! 

 

But it is a numbers game and making mistakes is part of that. 

 

 

I do tend to "correct" most converging verticals, but actually they can look really false, and I sell as many "dramatic" shots as corrected shots. As usual there's no one way of doing things

[geogphotos]

7 hours ago, StokeCreative said:

I do tend to "correct" most converging verticals, but actually they can look really false, and I sell as many "dramatic" shots as corrected shots. As usual there's no one way of doing things

 

 

Thanks for the observation Hugh. I have noticed the same. What made me start this thread was a worry that I was overusing the Geometry tool - I was doing a lot of buildings.

 

There is no way that this is what you see standing where the picture was taken. You are looking up and the eye has to see converging verticals. 

 

But it was published in the Times a day ot two ago so must be what they want. Equally, I feel sure that they might have gone with one that showed converging verticals.

 

Maybe the trick is to offer both versions when in doubt?

 

 

RAW

 

Edited June 3, 2023 by geogphotos

[StokeCreative]

3 hours ago, geogphotos said:

 

 

Thanks for the observation Hugh. I have noticed the same. What made me start this thread was a worry that I was overusing the Geometry tool - I was doing a lot of buildings.

 

There is no way that this is what you see standing where the picture was taken. You are looking up and the eye has to see converging verticals. 

 

But it was published in the Times a day ot two ago so must be what they want. Equally, I feel sure that they might have gone with one that showed converging verticals.

 

Maybe the trick is to offer both versions when in doubt?

 

 

RAW

 

 

 

I often do the correction, and then dial it back a bit by eye. It probably depends on the building as to what looks 'right'. Also as you'll know the correction tools are quite capable of (literally) stretching the truth, so I always try to keep the original open as a reference.

[geogphotos]

2 hours ago, StokeCreative said:

 

 

I often do the correction, and then dial it back a bit by eye. It probably depends on the building as to what looks 'right'. Also as you'll know the correction tools are quite capable of (literally) stretching the truth, so I always try to keep the original open as a reference.

 

 

That is certainly what I try and do.

[Michael Ventura]

I wouldn't worry too much about converging lines.  I do correct some too but sometimes the converging can add a dramatic effect to a building.  I really depends on the subject and the surroundings.

[geogphotos]

Thanks Michael. I suppose that there must be some rules about the sort of angle that works and doesn't work. But as you say making individual judgments based on context is best. 

 

From time to time I just get doubts about overusing a specific tool - this time it was Geometry. 

 

I'm very grateful to all who had a look including those who didn't comment.

 

 

[Vincent Lowe]

On 02/06/2023 at 16:31, Steve F said:

Ian, all looks fine to me. Maybe this one, but I'm guessing you couldn't get any further back and you were limited by your focal length so you didn't want to use the Geometry tool and lose part of the building to the crop.

 

First extend the canvas at the top then you can crop without losing any part of the building.

 

I often correct verticals but sometimes it doesn't look right if the building is absolutely vertical so I scale it back a bit to give a hint of convergence, e.g....

 

 

 

[Normspics]

On 02/06/2023 at 11:31, Steve F said:

 

but I'm guessing you couldn't get any further back and you were limited by your focal length so you didn't want to use the Geometry tool and lose part of the building to the crop.

 

 

I have often gone to stitching two or three images together where I can't get further away or I'm at the limit of my widest angle.

[Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg]

On 03/06/2023 at 02:20, geogphotos said:

Maybe the trick is to offer both versions when in doubt?

Trick?

Look at 20+ published building images in each of 20+ publications using Alamy building images.

Are they corrected?  Are they not?  Are they both?
Whatever the answer is what you offer, IMO...

IMC, I correct "unpleasant" converging if room but not necessarily to perfection...

regards from Gastonia
 

Edited June 6, 2023 by Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg

[geogphotos]

6 hours ago, Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg said:

Trick?

Look at 20+ published building images in each of 20+ publications using Alamy building images.

Are they corrected?  Are they not?  Are they both?
Whatever the answer is what you offer, IMO...

IMC, I correct "unpleasant" converging if room but not necessarily to perfection...

regards from Gastonia
 

 

 

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[Cal]

On 03/06/2023 at 07:20, geogphotos said:

 

 

Thanks for the observation Hugh. I have noticed the same. What made me start this thread was a worry that I was overusing the Geometry tool - I was doing a lot of buildings.

 

There is no way that this is what you see standing where the picture was taken. You are looking up and the eye has to see converging verticals. 

 

But it was published in the Times a day ot two ago so must be what they want. Equally, I feel sure that they might have gone with one that showed converging verticals.

 

Maybe the trick is to offer both versions when in doubt?

 

 

RAW

 

 

In this case I prefer the version with corrected verticals.

 

However, I suspect like a lot of smaller details that we photographers put a lot of emphasis on, the end user doesn't even notice or care. I'm guessing if the uncorrected version (with the same edits to exposure, saturation etc as the top one) was the only one available it would still have sold.

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[geogphotos]

17 hours ago, Cal said:

 

In this case I prefer the version with corrected verticals.

 

However, I suspect like a lot of smaller details that we photographers put a lot of emphasis on, the end user doesn't even notice or care. I'm guessing if the uncorrected version (with the same edits to exposure, saturation etc as the top one) was the only one available it would still have sold.

 

Here are the pics I took that day and the 'flags ' show the two selected by an experienced editor:

 

 

Both 'selects' have corrected verticals.

Edited June 8, 2023 by geogphotos

[geogphotos]

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