Michael Ventura Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 I know this is a longshot, I have searched Google with no luck. Does anyone have an idea of a maker or any other tidbits of info on these? My mother is on the one with the obvious gas tank on the frame of the bicycle but the other two don't seem to have one but do have a motor. Taken in the late 1940s at Pisa, Italy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) Looking at the bikes the gents are on the cross bar looks to be deeper than wold be normal. Gas tank? No more info yet. Allan Just checked on line and see there are a number of manufacturers of this type of pushbike from 1920's on but have not seen the actual models you are displaying. ITMA Edited July 6, 2022 by Allan Bell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ventura Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 24 minutes ago, Allan Bell said: Looking at the bikes the gents are on the cross bar looks to be deeper than wold be normal. Gas tank? Thanks Allan, I was thinking the same thing about those crossbars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 49 minutes ago, Michael Ventura said: gas tank Do you mean petrol? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ventura Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 19 minutes ago, spacecadet said: Do you mean petrol? Yes, I need to add that to the keywords. Thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorilla Dave Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 a search on Google images for 'motorised bicycle italy 1940s' threw up a few similar bikes but not sure of the detail of the ones shown in your photo. GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Harrison Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 The English company Rudge made the Rudge Autocycle which was available in the 1940s. I don't think this is one but it is very similar so searching for 'Autocycle' might be fruitful. Autocycles and Cyclemotors were competing for the same market I think. There are some clubs but you probably need an Italian one. https://thebuzzingclub.net/ http://www.autocycle.org.uk/eacc.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Harrison Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 I think there's probably quite a lot to choose from, they were probably quite easy to make. https://motorbicycling.com/threads/european-lightweight-motorized-bicycles.43665/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Harrison Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 At first I thought that I'd never seen one powered by gas? Then the penny dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ventura Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 Thank you Harry! I think I will not worry about a brand but add autocycle and cyclemotor to my keywords Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskerke Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) I think you will be able to read the name of the engine maker on the finned part of the block next to the flywheel and I bet it says Mosquito. Which makes it a Garelli Mosquito. A 38cc Motore a rullo ausiliario for a bicimotore. Maybe there's a different frame maker's name on the frame, but I bet it's Garelli. wim edit: bicimotore aka motobicicletta. For the year you could also search for dopoguerra which means after the war. Edited July 6, 2022 by wiskerke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskerke Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) They all have Girder type suspension forks. Now for the one in the middle. I'm sure you can at least read a part of the brand name on the fuel tank. wim edit: type - it's not a brand name (anymore) but the generic name for a this type of spring fork with triangles. Edited July 6, 2022 by wiskerke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ventura Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 17 minutes ago, wiskerke said: They all have Girder type suspension forks. Now for the one in the middle. I'm sure you can at least read a part of the brand name on the fuel tank. wim edit: type - it's not a brand name (anymore) but the generic name for a this type of spring fork with triangles. Both my mother's bike and the front bike have visible brand writing, in script, but not legible...even when using the sharpening tool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskerke Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Michael Ventura said: Both my mother's bike and the front bike have visible brand writing, in script, but not legible...even when using the sharpening tool The front and rear are the same Garelli Mosquito. The one your mother's on has an engine that looks very much like a Ducati Cucciolo. Cucciolo = Cub or Puppy. The fins of the cylinder head and the angle of the cylinder itself and the horizontal fins are quite distinct. However I don't think the rest is Ducati because of the form and placement of the fuel tank. The Cucciolo T was one of the many clip on blocks that were around. Image here (second image). Both Garelli and Ducati obviously even more so went on to become big names in the motorbike industry. wim edit: the story of the puppy on the official Ducati site. Edited July 6, 2022 by wiskerke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ventura Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 Here is a cropped in image of the front bike crossbar. That is about the best I can make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskerke Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 22 minutes ago, Michael Ventura said: Here is a cropped in image of the front bike crossbar. That is about the best I can make it. Doesn't look like Garelli. But the block is a Garelli Mosquito. Like the middle one is the Ducati Cucciolo By now I have given up finding the right frame builders, mainly because of this list and this page (mix of Dutch and English but many images and links). wim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ventura Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 25 minutes ago, wiskerke said: Doesn't look like Garelli. But the block is a Garelli Mosquito. Like the middle one is the Ducati Cucciolo By now I have given up finding the right frame builders, mainly because of this list and this page (mix of Dutch and English but many images and links). wim Thank you Wim for all your efforts. And thanks to the others who also helped searching for clues! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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