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#1 Phil

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 02:39 AM

Anyone tried Symbioistock?  Described as an open-source WordPress theme with networked databases to sell images.

 

http://rising.blacks...html#more-17873

 

I noticed one caveat that it says it won't work in most "entry level" server environments due to "unique functions".  Whatever that means... 


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 06:51 AM

I've not tried it. To me it just looks like a good way to help others sell their images.


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Posted 25 May 2013 - 04:54 PM

The Symbiostock search appears to have two basic modes.

 

Search my site only: Click Image Categories in the main menu bar. Choose the category from the submenu OR use the search bar at the top. If you use the search bar, you will get results from my site AND other Symbiostock members' sites. See next bullet.

Search my site AND other Symbiostock members: Enter your search term in the Search bar at the top. Search terms that match images on MY site will appear first. Images from other Symbiostock members's sites will follow, IF search term matches images at other sites.

 

 

As long as you have images that meet the search criteria yours will appear 1st - then others.   If you have no matches I assume the others in the network will be shown.   Not sure I see a down side if it works the same among all in the network.


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 12:14 PM

I checked it out and have to wonder what's going to drive customers to the sites? Without a serious promotional campaign and good customer service to keep them there, it's just more photos on the web.


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 02:58 PM

I checked it out and have to wonder what's going to drive customers to the sites? Without a serious promotional campaign and good customer service to keep them there, it's just more photos on the web.

 

Agree.  Assuming Google indexes the images anyone who uses their own web site to sell images still needs promotion and customer service.

 

But given the above for those that wish to use their own web site to self-market and sell images the possibilities seem intriguing if there's some critical mass of networked Symbiostock web sites.


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#6 John Mitchell

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 04:46 PM

I checked it out and have to wonder what's going to drive customers to the sites? Without a serious promotional campaign and good customer service to keep them there, it's just more photos on the web.

 

I got the same impression. Photo buyers already have a mind-boggling number of images, agencies, portals, etc. to choose from on the Web.


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Posted 11 June 2013 - 03:18 PM

Hi, I am a member of the Symbiostock Network. 

The idea is that we each keep 100% of what we earn from our images rather than have agencies share whatever they feel fit with us and reduce it every time they get the urge, or do deals with our images of which we do not have any say.

The network - yes we will be showing potential clients work from other people as well as ourselves but it works both ways, my work appears on my network members plus other peoples results, if they keywords they enter are ones that I have promoted because I specialise in that sort of image.  It is very new, the first versions of the software were released in late March, we hope to be out of Beta shortly but even now members are getting sales and the directory of members is growing as more members join.

 

We know we will have to do some work to get clients but as least we are working 100% for ourselves, not other people's pockets :)

 

Entry level server - certain hosts such as 1&1 and GoDaddy have caused the developer a lot of headaches due to their restrictions, we found that ISP's such as Bluehost and Justhost are much more successfull.  I imagine as it gets more popular then members will probably go to dedicated servers

 

So far all the development discussions have taken place at the microstockgroup(dot)com forum where we have our own Symbiostock area, you are welcome to come and visit and join us if you wish


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#8 Andrew Spiers

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 03:36 PM

Removed as I get downmarked for quoting facts.


Edited by Andrew Spiers, 12 June 2013 - 08:10 AM.

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#9 Christine

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 03:53 PM

Users can create their own prices and EULA's, and many of us do not mention RF 

 

 

Edit:   I have just added a link to my site so I am not quite so "anonymouse" :)


Edited by Christine, 11 June 2013 - 04:01 PM.

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#10 Semmick Photo

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:03 PM

I have created my own website with Symbiostock as I couldnt find anything to my liking, Ktools, Smugmug, Photoshelter, whatever, it was all paid subscriptions, or asking for commission or paying 300 dollar to use the software. Symbiostock is free open source, you can build whatever you want around it. If you want to sell RM, sell RM. If you want to sell editorial, sell editorial. You can do whatever you want. 

 

Here is a write up http://semmickphoto....image-licenses/

 

Here is a fair review of the project http://blog.melchers...ed-photo-agency

 

You can try it out, or not. I was skeptical as well, but as soon as I tried it, I was sold. And if you dont want to partake in the network, its a great tool to set up your own website with little knowledge and no cost. Plus the SEO of Symbiostock seems to compete with the agencies out there. People already reporting images placed above the stock agencies and people also reporting sales. 

 

At least there is a group of artist taking control after the so manieth price cut


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Posted 11 June 2013 - 07:22 PM

That where my lost reputation point is. :D

 

Has anyone here sold any images through this system?

 

I might have a go myself on the "if you can't beat 'em join 'em" principle. :D


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#12 Andrew Spiers

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 08:14 PM

Removed as I get downmarked for quoting facts. 


Edited by Andrew Spiers, 12 June 2013 - 08:10 AM.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 08:36 PM

Have you just looked at the opening page or the network itself, the beauty of it is that you can adapt things to how you want.  It is free and open source, it is evolving and nothing is set in stone.

 

 

JohnB - yes, some have sold images already,


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#14 Semmick Photo

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:27 PM

Andrew, you can sell whatever license you want. If someone says RF thats probably for THEIR site. Thats the beauty of it, you can do what you want. 

 

You said shame its only for RF, its not. Me and Christine explained that, but it seems you want it to be RF so you can knock it. 

 

Its your choice, its out there, ignore if its not for you.  ;)

 

Cheers. 


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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:30 PM

I dont see it mentioned anywhere by the way

 

http://www.symbiostock.com/


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#16 Andrew Spiers

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 08:12 AM

OK, I give up with this thread. There are obviously people out there that don't like the facts taken from the website being quoted at them.

 

I don't see why I should keep getting my reputation hit for that. 

 

And for that reason, I am out (and out of the forum).


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Posted 12 June 2013 - 08:22 AM

I checked it out and have to wonder what's going to drive customers to the sites? Without a serious promotional campaign and good customer service to keep them there, it's just more photos on the web.

 

This is key. It's all very well having a wonderfully interlinked network of independent traders but what's driving the traffic to the sites? This is why Alamy/Getty/Corbis are all fighting for market share. He who controls the client base makes the sales. No traffic = no sales, no matter how cheap or pretty the pictures.

 

Plus, this appears to be microstock only?? From the symbiostock front page:

 

"Symbiostock, as its name implies, creates a symbiotic relationship among microstock professionals"

 

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 08:48 AM

I thought I would check it out until....microstock...aaaaaaagh!  Yes, I know, I know, that's the way it is these days;  no one wants to pay a fair and reasonable rate for images when they can pay pennies for image downloads.  And, risking a red minus on my views, its purely because many photographers are willing to accept the devaluation of their work (and hence mine) for a couple of dollars.  What is of concern is that in a recent article regarding microstocks, the author placed Alamy amongst microstock libraries rather than macrostock.  Now that is a worry!

 

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 10:20 AM

I thought I would check it out until....microstock...aaaaaaagh!  Yes, I know, I know, that's the way it is these days;  no one wants to pay a fair and reasonable rate for images when they can pay pennies for image downloads.  And, risking a red minus on my views, its purely because many photographers are willing to accept the devaluation of their work (and hence mine) for a couple of dollars.  What is of concern is that in a recent article regarding microstocks, the author placed Alamy amongst microstock libraries rather than macrostock.  Now that is a worry!

 

Sheila

 

Sheila, I think some (even quite experienced) photographers conflate "Royalty Free" and "Microstock". 

 

Any road up, FWIW, I'm going to get on board with Symbiostock as it does seem to be easily customisable and will allow me to charge what I think is appropriate for the licences I choose to sell. My only loss due to "commission" will be the charges for my domain name and Wordpress site hosting. And I can be my own QC system (a blessing and a curse of course).

 

I see the collaborative, co-operative, "symbiotic" environment of Symbiostock as a good thing. I like the "fair trade" idea and all that that concept implies for contributor and buyer although I'd probably use another term instead of "fair trade". But see? That's the beauty of it - I can use another term and not be tied to some agency's idea of what's "best" for me. Whilst I'm not an open source fanboi, I do like the open source concept in general and support it when I can. So what also appeals to me here, is that Symbiostock melds an open source theme with what is verging on an open source photographic community. Leo Blanchette, the developer of the Symbiostock, is to be applauded for putting this on track.

 

Casting around, it looks like SEO is already doing well within the Symbio network. Certainly better than what I get from PhotoShelter.

 

Am I being na├»ve? Maybe. Will it go tits up? Possibly, though I doubt it. But what have I got to lose? I'm really at the start of my stock photography journey (*yuck*) and haven't committed a huge portfolio of images anywhere yet; so I'm still at the "learning my lesson" and adaptable stage so I can't do too much damage. Maybe it'll not work out. Maybe it'll be huge.

 

One thing I do know is that I'm fed up of giving agencies the thick end of _my_ wedge. 


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Posted 12 June 2013 - 11:24 AM

Russell, I took a look at your images and the ones beginning D83 are not showing. I thought that problem was fixed. I actually could see the others that were reported but can't see these. I use Safari on a Mac.

 

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