Unscientific test On Caption, keywords and supertags

[meanderingemu]

As i was curious in testing where I would fit after almost one year, I decided to try the BHZ test.  As a misunderstanding at some point i ended up with three Pseudonyms, so i used three recent image all RM, marginal enough to not have been a view nor zoom in my reports so far. Note one of my Pseudonym has a CTR double the other 2.

 

Added BHZ as a keyword.  The three images ended on page 27, ironically the one from top Pseudo was the lowest of the 3.

 

a week later

 

Made BHZ a supertag.  The images bump to page 11.  Again same order of appearance as before, so somehow something else affects it.

 

three days later

 

On one image add BHZ in title caption.  The image bumps to page 2.  The others stay as is.  

 

 

again, this is not scientific, but to me it does seem to justify spending the extra time to work with the image manager.  I'm actually now going to spend time to remove marginal, and potentially mis-searcher words from the titles caption,  to reduce to potential of wrong hits.  For example since my BHZ was only a marginal part of the image, having it as only a KW would likely not have hit me, as badly as having it in the title  caption.  

 

Note: yes the BHZ is a bad example, but an example i have is an image of a Socialist mosaic wall in Berlin.  I'm not thinking of moving the word Wall as only a KW.  People looking for "Socialist mosaic wall" will still find it, but i won't get as many shadow hits for "Berlin Wall"  

 

 

 

Edited December 1, 2019 by meanderingemu
change title to caption

[george]

When you say title do you mean caption? 

[Harry Harrison]

41 minutes ago, meanderingemu said:

As i was curious in testing where I would fit after almost one year, I decided to try the BHZ test.  As a misunderstanding at some point i ended up with three Pseudonyms, so i used three recent image all RM, marginal enough to not have been a view nor zoom in my reports so far. Note one of my Pseudonym has a CTR double the other 2.

 

Added BHZ as a keyword.  The three images ended on page 27, ironically the one from top Pseudo was the lowest of the 3.

 

a week later

 

Made BHZ a supertag.  The images bump to page 11.  Again same order of appearance as before, so somehow something else affects it.

 

three days later

 

On one image add BHZ in title.  The image bumps to page 2.  The others stay as is.  

Very interesting, I should try the same myself. I know you mean the Caption field, it can get confusing because the Title field is a different IPTC field.

[george]

20 minutes ago, Harry Harrison said:

Very interesting, I should try the same myself. I know you mean the Caption field, it can get confusing because the Title field is a different IPTC field.

Thank you for clarifying that for me, I thought there was something I was missing! So if using LR4, anything I enter in the Title field (can't look right now but assuming there is one), that will be the caption in image manager? Dumb question of the day probably! 

[meanderingemu]

1 hour ago, george said:

When you say title do you mean caption? 

 

 

yes, i'll edit

[meanderingemu]

32 minutes ago, Harry Harrison said:

Very interesting, I should try the same myself. I know you mean the Caption field, it can get confusing because the Title field is a different IPTC field.

 

 

my IPTC doesn't show any of these terms, i have headlines and description.  So the description field

[Harry Harrison]

19 minutes ago, meanderingemu said:

So the description field

Yes, Caption aka Description, Alamy call it Caption.

[Harry Harrison]

38 minutes ago, george said:

anything I enter in the Title field (can't look right now but assuming thealamy. re is one), that will be the caption in image manager?

No, Title field is different and anything entered there won't come up into AIM assuming that you enter it before uploading. Lightroom uses the term 'Caption' in the default metadata view and 'Description' in the IPTC metadata view. If you are uploading News images then the 'Headline' field is used as summary description to link a batch of images together but normally it is just Caption/Description plus Keywords (tags) of course.

[hdh]

I had it once a few weeks ago that my BHZ all showed up on page 22 and it felt like the world was collapsing. 

A day later they were all back & steady since within the first 10 pages. 

 

Interesting with the caption bit, I keep checking my search results frequently and amending keywords and captions where necessary. 

 

btw: You should have 25 pages of BHZ images - did you exclude RF and set to 120 pictures per page? 

 

 

[meanderingemu]

2 hours ago, hdh said:

 

 

btw: You should have 25 pages of BHZ images - did you exclude RF and set to 120 pictures per page? 

 

 

 

 

i default at 100 picture per page, makes it easier in my mind .  

[Allan Bell]

17 hours ago, meanderingemu said:

 

 

i default at 100 picture per page, makes it easier in my mind .  

 

To obtain a meaningful result everyone should be using the standards as hdh mentioned.

 

Allan

 

[meanderingemu]

On 02/12/2019 at 12:18, Allan Bell said:

 

To obtain a meaningful result everyone should be using the standards as hdh mentioned.

 

Allan

 

 

100 images par page is the default Alamy set

 

[spacecadet]

2 minutes ago, meanderingemu said:

 

100 images par page is the default Alamy set

 

Yes but if you use it you will be unable to compare, or make sense of, anyone else's BHZ, because everyone else uses 120.

FWIW I stopped playing the BHZ game a couple of years ago.

Edited December 3, 2019 by spacecadet